How to sling a tactical rifle?

VCAS - Vickers Combat Application Sling is the official sling of the RCMP, Dutch Military, US Marines and used by multiple LE Agencies, Military Units and individuals.

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A sling is to a rifle what a holster is to a handgun, period.
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Bingo.


people who did a military course had a instructor that made you carry your weapon without a sling
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We were also forced to keep our rain gear in our C9 pouches.
 
I have both a padded VCAS and the VTAC and they appear to be really well built but so far am liking the VTAC more. No question they are both good but the VTAC is really easy to adjust.


Heres a good video showing the VTAC and how to use it.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhojNCdksYw&feature=player_embedded
 
QOR said:
Yeah it can be done....but is it wise for am armed professional to be doing?
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No, it is unwise to not use a sling but I still train just in case I don't have time to sling my rifle or the sling breaks etc. Just because I'm in a situation where I cannot use a sling doesn't mean I'm going to give up if my primary weapon fails and I need to draw my secondary. Throwing my rifle away to transition is not an option either. Once I deal with the threat using my secondary and it's safe, I will be fixing my primary (and slinging my rifle if possible).

Same reason why I practice clearing stoppages as well as shooting with primary hand only/support hand only (in case of injury).

I train for less than ideal conditions. You will never rise to the occasion but default to the level of your training.

Like I said. This wasn't the greatest video but it showed a technique to transition without a sling.
 
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......... I don't have time to sling my rifle or the sling breaks etc. Just because I'm in a situation where I cannot use a sling doesn't mean......... I will be fixing my primary (and slinging my rifle if possible).
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Your training sounds a bit off if you're talking about slinging your rifle after a situation, or, you're using the wrong sling. Your rifle should be slung as soon as you gear up.

Same with "if the sling breaks". Use a VCAS sling and you won't have to worry about any of that.


Training for "if the sling breaks" would be like saying "I carry my mags in my hands to train in case my mag pouches break.



Some great video of the VCAS sling being used in this video.

 
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nice transition to pistol while shooting and moving at the 115 mark with padded vickers
 
With all this talk about slings, one must not forget that the rifle must also be just as versatile with its attachment points. On my AR rifles, I have at least 6 or 7 different spots and variations of mounts. The same goes for the work gun. Whether I have to retrofit some paracord, or use hose clamps, I have various mounting solutions. Because god knows all the different scenarios to which you move with your gun. For example, I keep my sling slung, but detached when in a vehicle. as soon as I dismount its into a single point. Depends on what the kit of the day is as well. It would be neat if there was an invention that enabled a sling mount to slide along a rail, and lock in place easily.

####, there should be a magpul video called dynamic sling. Sling manipulations, advanced sling operations, tactical slinging, the urban sling,
 
Slings, sigh the old argument that never gets old.

I run VCAS slings exclusively these days. Smart 2pt slings (unlike the CF issue sling on the C7/C8) can be used very effectively on any platform - from a short 5.56mm gun, to a .338LM boltgun.

You CAN run a Single Point Sling on a short gun.
However once you add a suppressor to the gun, it is next to impossible (nothing like a warm can burning your nutsack...)

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Farmboy said:
Your training sounds a bit off if you're talking about slinging your rifle after a situation, or, you're using the wrong sling. Your rifle should be slung as soon as you gear up.

Same with "if the sling breaks". Use a VCAS sling and you won't have to worry about any of that.


Training for "if the sling breaks" would be like saying "I carry my mags in my hands to train in case my mag pouches break
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I work as a police officer and my car is my office. Suppose I need to get my rifle right now (something on view). Does that mean my training is off because I would get my rifle into the fight right away instead of slinging it first? What if split seconds counted between someone's life or death in an active shooter scenario? I don't carry a slung rifle all day and if I worked all day with my tac vest, helmet, and C-8 on I'm sure that would be frowned upon.

If you had read my entire post you would see that I train most of the time with my rifle slung. Yes I agree if I have the time I will sling my rifle. I'm sorry if you think my training is off because I train for events that are less than ideal. I wish the world was perfect and we don't have to train for stoppages, non traditional shooting positions, injuries, etc

I am confident in my equipment that it will not break and my 5.11 VTAC is fine. At the start of every shift I check my C-8 to ensure everything is functioning (including my light and sling).

I assume you practice stoppages? Does that mean you are not confident in your equipment or is your training off?

By the way, I never said I would carry a mag in my hand just in case my pouch would break. Stop adding stuff I never said and read what I wrote. I do carry a spare mag on my duty belt in case I can't get my tac vest on (with spare mags).

I see you sell Magpul gear. If you've ever watched their training videos you'll see they cover transitions without a sling (Art of the Dynamic Shotgun). Kind of hypocritical that you sell products that go against your Pollyanna philosophy.

Hope for the best; prepare for the worst.
 
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Homer, I think everyone is a product of their experience.

LEO's have much different requirements that .MIL folks -- getting out of a car your driving is something that is dif than the .mil, for you will not need your rifle everytime you get of out the car, and I am pretty sure that little missy granola eater in her flipflops would be offended if you pulled her over with your C8 (or whatever).

Reloading a short gun minimal accessories is totally different than reloading a gun with a can, PEQ etc on it, for me, I sling up as soon as I can, be it at matches or the Zombie Apocalypse (I'm a Excel warrior these days getting fatter behind the keyboard), however since I have a 762 gun, I generally run my small guns the same manner for reloads as it keep my muscle memory, in the same way I run exclusively Vickers slings, but I only run padded for the 14.5" and heavier guns.

I did the pic of my stuff above to show a 11.5" gun with can is longer than a bare 5.56mm (or just as long with a mini can like our 556QDC/CQB above). Unless your running a 10-11.5" gun with no can a single point is not going to work for all applications.

Is the 2pt idea for everything, no, however it will meet MOST users need the best.

The only thing I see good for a Single Point is a breaching shotgun
 
I work as a police officer and my car is my office. Suppose I need to get my rifle right now (something on view). Does that mean my training is off because I would get my rifle into the fight right away instead of slinging it first? What if split seconds counted between someone's life or death in an active shooter scenario?
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Unless you're saving that split second by shooting out of the vehicle, then sling your rifle while on the move.

You're going to loose more than a split second grabbing gear from the trunk.


By the way, I never said I would carry a mag in my hand just in case my pouch would break. Stop adding stuff I never said and read what I wrote.
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I know you didn't write or say that, it's a comparison to you saying you train without a sling in case it breaks. How far do you take that kind of training?
 
Kevin, thanks for your post and glad you understand that everyone has different requirements. I was in the reserves almost 20 years ago and have the utmost respect for those that wear a uniform to protect our nation and way of life. In the grand scheme of things I wear a lot less kit for a far shorter duration. Not to mention in a far safer environment.

Farmboy, I'm not even going to continue debating this with you. You have your closed-minded condescending views and nothing is going to change that. I will continue to train in my "off way" and train others in my agency as well.
 
Farmboy, I'm not even going to continue debating this with you.
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So be it.

You have your closed-minded condescending views and nothing is going to change that
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Actually I have a very open mind, and pick up new stuff all the time. My views on gear, equipement, training etc are changing all the time.
 
Farmboy said:
Actually I have a very open mind, and pick up new stuff all the time. My views on gear, equipement, training etc are changing all the time.
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I know I said I was gonna stop but had to respond. My tongue was bleeding as I tried to keep my mouth shut....

You have an open mind? Yet you cannot see a situation where you would ever need to transition from an unslung/slingless rifle to a secondary weapon and see others that train for it as "off?"

Wow..... So much fail........
 
I think what farmboy is saying is the rifle should have a sling no reason not to have one on it
 
homer76 said:
I know I said I was gonna stop but had to respond. My tongue was bleeding as I tried to keep my mouth shut....

You have an open mind? Yet you cannot see a situation where you would ever need to transition from an unslung/slingless rifle to a secondary weapon and see others that train for it as "off?"

Wow..... So much fail........
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You use stuff for a living, he sells stuff for a living.

He is trying to sell you his stuff.
 
homer76 said:
Blah, blah blah...

Wow..... So much fail........
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Dude, you are ruining the mojo of this thread. Farmboy is actually one of the most reasonable and tolerant posters on this board. I've witnessed him turn the other cheek in the face of some of the most asinine posts I've ever read. Close minded and condescending are NOT the terms I would use to describe him based on what I've read of his posts. YMMV.
 
...tried out slinging a rifle as instructed in this thread... observations:

1)Seemed weird at first compared to what I'm used to.

2)I like the way the rifle sits muzzle down with the pistol grip handy.

3)I like the way it sits muzzle up when one pushes it around back.

4)Had trouble transitioning to weak side, discovered that one has to get the sling out from under the weak side's arm.

5)I kinda like it
 
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