Hudson’s Bay “The Imperial No. 200”: what did I buy?

An unpopular opinion, if I may. Anyone shooting an out-of-proof British-made gun is asking for trouble. Maybe not today, or tomorrow, but at some point failure will happen. Maybe not to the OP, but perhaps to the person he sells it to in future, or to an unlucky inheritor. Someone who might not know much about pressures, and has some great 'hot' loads to try. There is a reason why Britain forbids the sale of out-of-proof guns, and plenty of reasons why proof laws exist -- do you really want to trust your eyes and fingers with a for-profit company? As Canvasback said, American makers, not protected by proof laws (protection goes both ways), made their barrels excessively strong (and heavier), and can therefore suffer a bit of bubba-ing, professional or amateur.

On this gun, which looks very nice by the way, the damage is done. Whoever had the work done has likely fired 3" shells in it; firing more 'test' loads isn't going to prove anything. The question is, have the modifications and previous use taken it into dangerous territory? Only a competent double-gun smith with the right measuring tools can tell. Along with the chamber lengthening, the bores may have been further honed. That is always an issue with modified guns, there may be other changes that are not readily apparent, you just can't know.

The OP might want to get his hands on a copy of the book 'Trade Guns of the Hudson Bay Company 1670-1970' by S. James Gooding. His gun was likely made by one of the following makers: Isaac Hollis; Bentley & Playfair; C.O. Bircham; C.G Bonehill (Ltd.); W.J Jeffrey & Co.; Thomas Bland & Sons; JP Clabrough (and later JP Clabrough & Johnstone); or Joseph Bourne & Son. The Imperials were made in great quantities to special order for the Hudson's Bay Company, while others were probably taken from the manufacturer's inventory and stamped with a brand name, explaining the wide variety of types and gauges under the Imperial banner.
 
Was trying too with a question ? BUT you had to interfere for NO good reason with your Yap !

So PM me and we can have a CHAT ! 🤷‍♂️

And how would the answer to that question have helped the OP? And really, was my response that off target? Doesn’t matter what the gun is intended for, or valued at. If it’s going to be shot then determining that it’s safe to shoot and the right ammo is used, safety is paramount. At least for those of us who value our body parts.
 
And how would the answer to that question have helped the OP? And really, was my response that off target? Doesn’t matter what the gun is intended for, or valued at. If it’s going to be shot then determining that it’s safe to shoot and the right ammo is used, safety is paramount. At least for those of us who value our body parts.
Was trying too with a question ? BUT you had to interfere for NO good reason with your Yap !

So PM me and we can have a CHAT ! 🤷‍♂️
Okay boys, lets stop the fighting!

I appreciate all the input so far. I'm rather disappointed that my new acquisition should probably not be fired, despite its great condition, unless I can find some pretty low-pressure ammo for it. A bit of a waste of money, it would seem.
 
And how would the answer to that question have helped the OP? And really, was my response that off target? Doesn’t matter what the gun is intended for, or valued at. If it’s going to be shot then determining that it’s safe to shoot and the right ammo is used, safety is paramount. At least for those of us who value our body parts.
So I was asking the Question because if it was a invaluable shotty tie it to a tire and shoot it with a long string and if it was a valuable shotty take it to a qualified GS and have it checked throughly and measured up !

But No You just had to jump in for NO reason other then I Know I Know ! Your response was totally NOT needed !

Any how - carry on ! I have no more time for you !
 
Title says it all, really. I just bought an HBC Imperial No. 200. What can you tell me about it? Locks up tight, no rust, just normal wear for an old girl.

I know it says 2-1/2 chambers, but I set my bore gauge to .685 and it went almost exactly 3” deep. Safe to shoot normal, modern 20 out of?
She's a pretty girl. Nice bit of history now that HBC is basically defunct. Get a smith to confirm it's safe to shoot, then cut down some hulls and stick to black powder or substitutes, and you should be fine.
 
Okay boys, lets stop the fighting!

I appreciate all the input so far. I'm rather disappointed that my new acquisition should probably not be fired, despite its great condition, unless I can find some pretty low-pressure ammo for it. A bit of a waste of money, it would seem.

I wouldn’t throw in the towel yet. Not until you have been able to get those dimensions. It could very well be fine and a joy to shoot.
 
My suggestion is: . Before you shoot the gun, with any loads, to have a competent gunsmith measure the wall thickness with an instrument that Gun Tech posted. Have the Gunsmith give the shotgun a good going over as well and even with a positive survey, well within safety margins, I'd be shooting only moderate loads.
 
If you really happen to like that one, you could set yourself up for a modest amount of money and reload your own lower pressure loads. If need be of course. I think that gun is fantastic and you should find a way to shoot it one way or the other.
 
Okay boys, lets stop the fighting!

I appreciate all the input so far. I'm rather disappointed that my new acquisition should probably not be fired, despite its great condition, unless I can find some pretty low-pressure ammo for it. A bit of a waste of money, it would seem.
Buy a reloader and components. Do a search on the Hornady site for a nice low pressure 7/8oz load. I'm loading a 1 oz low pressure 12ga 2 3/4" load for my vintage SxS's that has a published 5400 psi and muzzle velocity of 1235fps.
They are nice and soft!!
 
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