H4831 said:
Are you looking at the same pics as us and reading the same thread?
You better fill us in on your grizzly judging experience. I always figured a grizzly that gets in the top 50 B&C woudl be pretty good, but maybe I am wrong....
Huge British Columbia coastal grizzly taken
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Are you looking at the same pics as us and reading the same thread?
You better fill us in on your grizzly judging experience. I always figured a grizzly that gets in the top 50 B&C woudl be pretty good, but maybe I am wrong....
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- The Conservative part of Ontario
Guide learns photo lesson: put rifle with hunter when you have him sit back from game, so it isn't so obvious what you've done.
Still a beautiful bear, I think the set up photo was completely unnecessary
Still a beautiful bear, I think the set up photo was completely unnecessary
I have no idea what a GAU-8 might be, but my thinking when I first saw this was that an attack helicopter would be just about the correct platform for both the terrain and the target....
And I am man enough to say here that I am not man enough to do that hunt! Without teflon underwear and a platoon of gun-bearers....and maybe some kind of mechanical stabilization device for the rifle........
Doug
And I am man enough to say here that I am not man enough to do that hunt! Without teflon underwear and a platoon of gun-bearers....and maybe some kind of mechanical stabilization device for the rifle........
Doug
Doug said:
Doug, that is a coastal bear. Their demeanour is downright gentle compared to the interior grizz that roam around in the area you were mulie hunting a while back. While the interior strains are only 2/3rds the size of this particular brute they are 3 times as nasty. Your "guides" never mentioned that to you did they?
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- BC's Peace Country
So...a 9 1/2 ft grizzly is not a large bear? What planet are you from?
H4831 said:
ya look how small it looks compared to that mountain,and that grass is an inch tall,and the tide is out,it may be because the bear is wet.And the hunters smile is so big,maybe its constipated,thats what makes it look soooo small.is that its momma i see in the background.Do you have any idea how hard it is to sneak up on a sleeping grizzly and take pictures?Is that one of those miniature labs?i would say that bear is only three also.three meters maybe!
back to 'Boo....
Yes I definitely knew there were grizzlies in that area where I was hunting, but apparently there are not all that many of them. The only time I was a bit twitchy was when we were gutting out a mule deer just as it was falling dark - and we had about a mile to drag it to the truck! But I knew I did not have to outrun a grizz, I just had to outrun the two guys I was with!!!
And I did have a ton of trust in Larry - reckon if there was some fancy shootin' needing to be done he could have handled it! (I also felt pretty confident in my .300 H&H.... )
Doug
Yes I definitely knew there were grizzlies in that area where I was hunting, but apparently there are not all that many of them. The only time I was a bit twitchy was when we were gutting out a mule deer just as it was falling dark - and we had about a mile to drag it to the truck!
But I knew I did not have to outrun a grizz, I just had to outrun the two guys I was with!!! And I did have a ton of trust in Larry - reckon if there was some fancy shootin' needing to be done he could have handled it! (I also felt pretty confident in my .300 H&H....
)Doug
Big Bear
Well I livened things up a bit by stating I didn't think it was a large grizzly. The thread was getting kind of dull! I did not see any official score, but you stated it was in the top 50 in B&C. What was the official score and who scored it?
My qualifications to judge? I have been an official scorer for the BC Trophy Records Club for some thirty five years. Any of you BC fellows remember the Big Buck contests of ten or fifteen years ago? All species of game were eligible for big prizes, like new rifles. At Kamloops three of us scorers measured something like 400 entries. It was also held at 100 Mile House and just two of us measured over 300 entries in all species of BC game. If the grizzly in the picture made it well into the B&C, then my judgement of teeth is slipping! However, in the picture of the rifle leaning against the bear, it only takes little more than half of the rifle to cover the bear. And he does have long hair.
Well I livened things up a bit by stating I didn't think it was a large grizzly. The thread was getting kind of dull! I did not see any official score, but you stated it was in the top 50 in B&C. What was the official score and who scored it?
My qualifications to judge? I have been an official scorer for the BC Trophy Records Club for some thirty five years. Any of you BC fellows remember the Big Buck contests of ten or fifteen years ago? All species of game were eligible for big prizes, like new rifles. At Kamloops three of us scorers measured something like 400 entries. It was also held at 100 Mile House and just two of us measured over 300 entries in all species of BC game. If the grizzly in the picture made it well into the B&C, then my judgement of teeth is slipping! However, in the picture of the rifle leaning against the bear, it only takes little more than half of the rifle to cover the bear. And he does have long hair.
Bruce thanks for being "open " enough to admit in other possibilities..the bear was scored by a qualified B&C scorer for almost the amount of time you have..by the way you have a lOT of experience...
We Did send a tooth off fish and wildlife tech took it for aging...
I have hunted and been around grizzzlies for over 30 years..the SECOND OLDEST GRIZZLY EVER SHOT IN CANADA is on the wall 8 feet behind me...I was in on that also..lol
Conservation officer and I looked at the teeth...and Bruce..my guess is he will be 10-11 years old..just my GUESS based on 30 years..and I am prepared to be wrong..lol..if youll notice... while the teeth are in pretty good shape they ARE pulled back a LOOOOOONG ways from the gums....an old bear with good tooth care???Photos may not show it well enough...but pretty good retraction of the gum line...and dont forget coastal bears eat fish and grass not much meat or bones etc...grasses grow long not much grinding or breaking or splitting of teeth on gravel bones etc...I guess when we post photos we are opening ourselves up to positive and negative comments..just kind tough hearing "he's a young small bear " sure wish THOSE individuals where there to pack him out...also go look at a 72 pound lab dog and then judge the skull....#32 is nothing to be embarrased about..small ??? only compare to # 1...
I think most problems relate to the rifle..it makes things look a bit out of perspective due to its being a HUGE rifle big long stock to handle the PIPE used for a barrel..thats a .458 capable of shooting 500 grain pills..the barrel is 3 x the size of my .270..
Steven
We Did send a tooth off fish and wildlife tech took it for aging...
I have hunted and been around grizzzlies for over 30 years..the SECOND OLDEST GRIZZLY EVER SHOT IN CANADA is on the wall 8 feet behind me...I was in on that also..lol
Conservation officer and I looked at the teeth...and Bruce..my guess is he will be 10-11 years old..just my GUESS based on 30 years..and I am prepared to be wrong..lol..if youll notice... while the teeth are in pretty good shape they ARE pulled back a LOOOOOONG ways from the gums....an old bear with good tooth care???Photos may not show it well enough...but pretty good retraction of the gum line...and dont forget coastal bears eat fish and grass not much meat or bones etc...grasses grow long not much grinding or breaking or splitting of teeth on gravel bones etc...I guess when we post photos we are opening ourselves up to positive and negative comments..just kind tough hearing "he's a young small bear " sure wish THOSE individuals where there to pack him out...also go look at a 72 pound lab dog and then judge the skull....#32 is nothing to be embarrased about..small ??? only compare to # 1...
I think most problems relate to the rifle..it makes things look a bit out of perspective due to its being a HUGE rifle big long stock to handle the PIPE used for a barrel..thats a .458 capable of shooting 500 grain pills..the barrel is 3 x the size of my .270..
Steven
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wow. big bugger.
Congrats to him!
Congrats to him!
ryanloco...we had 2 rifles..a .458 and a 7mm rem mag.....the LAST B&C grizzly I shot out of here was dropped with 2 shots froma 7mm rem mag..
My personal favorite is .338..however I had too many Toys and home stuff to get one this year..next year a dedicated Grizzly moose combo...in .338
Actually coastal bears ARE tough only due to size..they dont have the attitude of the mountain bears..
For MINIMUM size...(Im gonna get serious attitude about this one..lol)I dont think anything under 7mm rem mag is appropriate,,MY personal oppinion after 30 years and dozens of grizzzlies...
.338 is great not too big not too small...just perfect..
Steven
My personal favorite is .338..however I had too many Toys and home stuff to get one this year..next year a dedicated Grizzly moose combo...in .338
Actually coastal bears ARE tough only due to size..they dont have the attitude of the mountain bears..
For MINIMUM size...(Im gonna get serious attitude about this one..lol)I dont think anything under 7mm rem mag is appropriate,,MY personal oppinion after 30 years and dozens of grizzzlies...
.338 is great not too big not too small...just perfect..
Steven
ryanloco said:
He has a perfectly good .270 that I have developed some good 150 grain Nosler Partition loads for. However after my wife mentioned to him that I have been known to put coarse black pepper in the odd round instead of powder he seemed hesitant to pack the .270 to Bella Coola for some reason .......................
LoLTrout..lol..actually when I saw the bear from the side THAT is the FIRST thing I thought..the thing looks like a freeking buffalo..and many of others have said the same thing..lol
Boo..with the loss of camera equipment and spotting scope(being replaced by insurance..well most is..) the deductable is going to kill my plans for any reloading stuff..the new truck arrives in June..24...so I may have to show up with some home made sausage..or the baatch of smokies Im doing up and "try " real nice for a few more rounds for my sheep hunt....
As for .270 on this particular bear I honestly dont know...he wasnt agressive, shot while he didnt even know we were there(always a good thing )but he WAS hard to keep down requiring a second shot..Im not sure what the .270 would have done he just has so darn much size and mass..
Steven
Boo..with the loss of camera equipment and spotting scope(being replaced by insurance..well most is..) the deductable is going to kill my plans for any reloading stuff..the new truck arrives in June..24...so I may have to show up with some home made sausage..or the baatch of smokies Im doing up and "try " real nice for a few more rounds for my sheep hunt....
As for .270 on this particular bear I honestly dont know...he wasnt agressive, shot while he didnt even know we were there(always a good thing )but he WAS hard to keep down requiring a second shot..Im not sure what the .270 would have done he just has so darn much size and mass..
Steven
I have worked in the remote central coast and Alaska including Kodiak and Admiralty islands looking for bears going on 10 years and that is one of the biggest bears I have ever seen! Obviously B&C numbers confirm this. Those that second guess the pictures don't spend serious time around coastal bears.
