Hungarian 7.62x39
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I seriously thought they changed that
Its the most corrosive crap ive ever wasted my money on.
Shoots fine.
I bought a whole crate thinking its non-corrosive.
DO NOT GIVE THEM YOUR BUSINESS. I emailed them and told them to change and complained about their false advertising.
THEY DONT CARE.
NEver even got a responce.
They changed it a while back......i have no idea why it says non-corrosive again.
Its the most corrosive crap ive ever wasted my money on.
Shoots fine.
I bought a whole crate thinking its non-corrosive.
DO NOT GIVE THEM YOUR BUSINESS. I emailed them and told them to change and complained about their false advertising.
THEY DONT CARE.
NEver even got a responce.
They changed it a while back......i have no idea why it says non-corrosive again.
If it's this stuff you are looking at I have plate tested it and it is NOT CORROSIVE
The MFS 7.62x39 boxes contained rounds with 2 different headstamps 21 81 and 21 85. The 21 85 also has sealed primers, there is no visible sealant on the 21 81.
Powder weight averages 24.36g with a standard deviation of 0.206, OACL averages 2.186" with a SD of .002.
These numbers represent a sample size of 20 rounds.
The MFS 7.62x39 boxes contained rounds with 2 different headstamps 21 81 and 21 85. The 21 85 also has sealed primers, there is no visible sealant on the 21 81.
Powder weight averages 24.36g with a standard deviation of 0.206, OACL averages 2.186" with a SD of .002.
These numbers represent a sample size of 20 rounds.
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It IS corrosive. I'm not trying to agitate, but I would like to see some pics of your plates mudpuppy. As I've stated before, I am highly suspect about your testing method and would like to see it with my own eyes.
Also, I posted a question about the hungarian milsurp ammo on another very reputable gun forum, and all who responded are convinced the ammo is corrosive. Have a look for yourself at http://www.gunboards.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=155179
In any case, it is dead easy to clean your gun as if it were corrosive, and I suggest you do after any ammo you suspect is corrosive. Happy shooting!
Also, I posted a question about the hungarian milsurp ammo on another very reputable gun forum, and all who responded are convinced the ammo is corrosive. Have a look for yourself at http://www.gunboards.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=155179
In any case, it is dead easy to clean your gun as if it were corrosive, and I suggest you do after any ammo you suspect is corrosive. Happy shooting!
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=57308ollie said:
What do you suspect about my testing method and what are the results of your controlled tests?
I see no rust on the other exposed portions of your plate either, which says to me the conditions are not present for any rust to form, which should occur on bare steel. Have you got an "after" photo? Or is that your after photo? Why hasnt the exposed steel rusted at all? For my extremely scientific tests, i took one mosin, fired corrosive through it, left it a day(because, as you implied earlier, i hate my guns soooooo much) and compared it to another mosin which I had not fired. they were both subjected to the same conditions(heating and cooling cycle, moisture conditions etc), and the one that had fired corrosive had rusted. Also, when I bring my guns in from the cold, I leave them in the case for a couple hours to minimize condensation as they warm.
My only concern with you posting your findings and stating they are absolute fact, is that someone is going to take what you said to heart, and not clean their gun after shooting this stuff, and ruin a good rifle. Keep your audience in mind...
My only concern with you posting your findings and stating they are absolute fact, is that someone is going to take what you said to heart, and not clean their gun after shooting this stuff, and ruin a good rifle. Keep your audience in mind...
Those pictures are from the test in the gun room, I am looking for the pictures taken after the humidity test be patient.(those pictures are from an older thread and were taken before the final part of the test)
My findings are absolute fact, I set up the test according to valid parameters (which have been posted so you can duplicate the test) and achieved the results I posted, where are your plate test results? Mine show the ammo is not corrosive.
I find it hard to believe your only concern is that I may convince someone to not clean a rifle that may have fired corrosive ammo when you post things like this in another forum
I did not think we were involved in a pissing match, I thought it was a discussion but on further review of your posts, maybe that's what you consider a discussion where your facts cannot be substantiated and you do not seem to accept any rebuttal of your ideas. Therefore in the interest of keeping this civil and not having this thread locked, as Stevo has indicated he does not want a shouting match, I will only reply to you when you show your test results and have facts, not conjecture. You show me yours and I’ll show you mine.
There is no sense in discussing this further until you have some valid arguing points, all you have offered so far is "oh yeah!" stuff.
I still stand by my results. If you need instructions as to how to duplicate the test let me know. If anyone else wishes to plate test this ammo please post your results.
ollie said:
My findings are absolute fact, I set up the test according to valid parameters (which have been posted so you can duplicate the test) and achieved the results I posted, where are your plate test results? Mine show the ammo is not corrosive.
I find it hard to believe your only concern is that I may convince someone to not clean a rifle that may have fired corrosive ammo when you post things like this in another forum
At what point in the thread you posted there did you obtain your "proof"? At what point did I state that yellow tip heavy ball was tested? (It MAY be corrosive, I don't know as I have not tested it). The easiest way for you to "prove me wrong" is to plate test it yourself, so how about it? Why are you so hesitant to test it yourself?ollie said:
I did not think we were involved in a pissing match, I thought it was a discussion but on further review of your posts, maybe that's what you consider a discussion where your facts cannot be substantiated and you do not seem to accept any rebuttal of your ideas. Therefore in the interest of keeping this civil and not having this thread locked, as Stevo has indicated he does not want a shouting match, I will only reply to you when you show your test results and have facts, not conjecture. You show me yours and I’ll show you mine.
There is no sense in discussing this further until you have some valid arguing points, all you have offered so far is "oh yeah!" stuff.I still stand by my results. If you need instructions as to how to duplicate the test let me know. If anyone else wishes to plate test this ammo please post your results.
And as I said before I cannot argue with this procedure, I have stated my reasons for testing this ammo in another thread and why it was important for me to know if it was corrosive or not.Holleyman said:
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ok, maybe pissing match was the wrong word, although that's sure what it seems like when you have been poring over my old posts in search of damning material to paint me as a clown with(which I find disturbing in a creepy stalker-ish way, BTW). In any case, I strongly disagree with your results as absolute fact, and it would appear that many others do as well. Perhaps it is safer to say that the primers in this ammo promote serious rusting. Personally, your tests seem to be conducted in an environment that would not allow rust to form anyway. I'm sure if I did a plate test with ammo that is confirmed corrosive, and left it in the middle of Edwards dry lake in the nevada desert, it would not rust any time soon. It's like trying to ignite gasoline in a vaccum, failing, and then concluding as absolute fact that gasoline is not flammable. The conditions are just not present for a reaction. I will soon conduct my own plate tests, and attempt to simulate real conditions, and will happily post pictures of how metal affected by these primers will rust more quickly and more severly than clean plain steel that has not been affected. OK?
BTW, no hard feelings. This is just an interesting discussion on ammo, so lets keep it that way!
BTW, no hard feelings. This is just an interesting discussion on ammo, so lets keep it that way!
What is this controlled testing crap?
Shoot a couple hundred. Let gun sit for a day.
Look down barrel and in chamber etc.
Tell me what you see.
No need for testing...and like was said, im definately not alone on this. Many people have found this stuff to be corrosive.
There is only 1 person on any board or anywhere i have ever seen that shot this stuff that says its non-corrosive.
And im still pissed that the guys who sold this to me...*cough* Dist###### dont give a rats ass about it.
Shoot a couple hundred. Let gun sit for a day.
Look down barrel and in chamber etc.
Tell me what you see.
No need for testing...and like was said, im definately not alone on this. Many people have found this stuff to be corrosive.
There is only 1 person on any board or anywhere i have ever seen that shot this stuff that says its non-corrosive.
And im still pissed that the guys who sold this to me...*cough* Dist###### dont give a rats ass about it.
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Chuck3436 said:
X2 It doesn't really matter if it rusts a plate or not. Shoot it, leave for gun for a few days and see what it looks like. If it's fine then good for you, if not then better luck next time and clean like it's corrosive.
I took this picture of the gas tube on my SKS within a few hours of shooting it last week. Awfully rusty for "non corrosive". It's fine ammo for shooting, just make sure you clean quickly and appropriately. The corrosion is even more rapid during the winter months with the condensation that forms when the gun warms up when brought inside...
BTW, I keep this thing religiously clean, I cry everytime I crack the gas tube after shooting and see the gunk...
BTW, I keep this thing religiously clean, I cry everytime I crack the gas tube after shooting and see the gunk...
