Hunter killed by bear, WRITE a letter to change Wilderness ATC 'rules'..
- Thread starter Jay
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You and et al can go carry 10 side arms, I really don't care; I'm stating from experience that I never needed one. Therefore, from "experience", if I didn't need a sidearm while hunting in grizzly/cougar country, then why would someone require a sidearm where these species do and "do not" exist? IMO, a unjustified, lame excuse.
The problem is you do care and denying it now is pointless..... you have already stated that you didnt want to come across andgry handgun wielding pissed off hunters (ignoring the fact that they would have rifles anyways)... said handguns are for "mall ninjas" and attempted to make the case that because you choose not to have one that nobody else should.....
You should change your handle to "backtrack"....
Best you be on the band wagon for a sidearm, those little forests in eastern-Ontario are most dangerous with grizzlies and cougars. Won't change my mind, I'll stand beside my guns, pun intended.
Fwiw, ontario is not the only place I hunt.... but that is not the point.... and black bears are notoriously more agressive than grizzlies..... they may be smaller in stature but doesnt mean I feel like taking my chances.....
"Little forests"?..... lol.... obviously you haven't spent any significant time here (or all of it was spent in toronto)..... your ignorance is showing......
- Location
- AB foothills
Track hasn't spent nearly as much time in wild places as he makes it sound like he has.
Don't get trapped by his bait...
Eastern Townships that is. Thanks for the tip on those big nasty black bears. Shew, shew, now go and sit in your tree stand over a bait pile of apples and carrots and continue dreaming
Your condescending and superior attitude, your unwillingness to see things from any perspective other than your own- never makes you any friends. Just like your days on AO, it seems you've learnt little, to nothing, from your days in 'Banned Camp'. Here's hoping it's a permanent stay next time...
Well your right, I never experienced everything and definitely far from it. I don't climb above timberline anymore, I'm getting to old and fat.....................my son is continuing that tradition. I stick to the valley's, foothills,(those would be mountains in Ontario), and northern boreal, it's less physical, however I've evolved to hunt smarter, especially chasing big whitetails.
Eastern Townships that is. Thanks for the tip on those big nasty black bears. Shew, shew, now go and sit in your tree stand over a bait pile of apples and carrots and continue dreaming
You need to come to Newfoundland and Labrador where there is real wilderness. You would look good on an icepan with a Polar Bear hunting you.
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- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
Yup, anybody can spend 10 minutes in grizzly country without getting into too much trouble, particularly if avoidance is practiced, which by the way isn't the worst idea. But the more time spent on the ground in bear country, and the more bears that are encountered, the odds start to stack against you. We've played at attempting to figure how many bears we might cross paths with, before a nasty one is encountered, and every time we think we've figured it out, something happens to screw it up. We had 4 serious bear incidents here last year, where bears made contact with their victims, way over the norm, and in one incident, 2 people were seriously injured and had to be flown by air ambulance to Winnipeg. Those incidents occurred right in town, despite the daily patrols by both truck and helicopter, and despite the Polar Bear Alert Program which responds very quickly to reported sightings. Throughout the fall, all bears found within the zone throughout the fall season are either pushed across the river, or picked up. Yet despite all that effort, incidents still occur. One might surmise, that bear-human conflicts could also arise in the back country with a lone hunter or adventurer.
Attempting to adequately prepare for a problem, doesn't mean that you fear your environment. What it means is that you acknowledge that there is risk involved with spending time in wild places, and that you are taking steps to mitigate those risks. If you are in the back country on a specific mission, say you're sheep hunting, a bear encounter probably isn't even on your radar. But unless you think about this stuff beforehand, and unless you pre-program yourself to respond in a certain way, the chances of getting caught unprepared and being unable to react correctly, increases dramatically. This is particularly true if your natural reaction to a bear sighting is to close the distance for a better look, without considering the bear's personal space, which is known to be much larger for grizzlies, than for black bears, or polar bears.
If you choose to carry pepper spray, you should understand the circumstances where it can be used effectively, when it shouldn't be used, and you should have some idea of it's effective range. A shotgun is a great bear defense tool due to the great variety of shells, both lethal and less lethal, that can be fired through it. I prefer the shotgun option to bear spray, because with the shotgun, I can drive a bear away with a cracker shell before its close enough to injure me. The handgun, like bear spray, is only useful when the range is extremely close, but under those circumstances it trumps any other of the choices, particularly if the bear has already made contact, and you are injured. Hunters who carry rifles only, might consider equipping those rifles with iron sights and QD scope rings, or at least choose a scopes with a very low bottom end power; that is the only way it will be a viable close range weapon. Rifle, shotgun, handgun, and spray are all viable bear defense tools under certain conditions, and one should not be prevented by law from making his own choices, based on what he believes is the best tool to keep him safe. When arguments are made to the contrary, one must question the motives of the speaker.
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The more track writes the more he shows his true experience or lack of it. Dead is dead. We do have cougars in Ontario and black bears are more than capable of taking a person down fast.
I hike on my land here in thick bush and have encountered bears several times in the last year as close as 20 yards. This, despite my 120lb. German Sheppard and lots of noise. I am usually carrying a one year old on my back and walking a toddler in terrain which means I can't carry a rifle and help my son on the trails. I prefer to include my kids in the outdoors as they grow up. This is why I want to carry. I may not choose to carry one when I have my rifle hunting without the kids and again that should be my choice.
I have carried professionally, have no criminal record, am fully licensed but due to guys like him I can't legally carry. What a joke.
I hike on my land here in thick bush and have encountered bears several times in the last year as close as 20 yards. This, despite my 120lb. German Sheppard and lots of noise. I am usually carrying a one year old on my back and walking a toddler in terrain which means I can't carry a rifle and help my son on the trails. I prefer to include my kids in the outdoors as they grow up. This is why I want to carry. I may not choose to carry one when I have my rifle hunting without the kids and again that should be my choice.
I have carried professionally, have no criminal record, am fully licensed but due to guys like him I can't legally carry. What a joke.
there are other situations were a handgun could be used as i know of a number of farmers in Ontario who have been gored by mostly holstein bulls .broken ribs , broken shoulders arms and legs, and generally beat to a bloody mess . one that i know of lost his life .a large caliber handgun would end this but hey our all knowing govt. knows best and will not allow it . i have spent time on farms in Kentucky and a gun is carried in the pickup or four wheeler when they go to check on cattle . handguns or a rifle depending on the situation. an angus cow can be a dangerous beast if she has a calf .
I think they call them "fudds".
Brutus
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Yes, even the lawmakers have to grudgingly accept some people need this by profession. It's just the policy of denial and misguided non-application from the bureaucrats that deny us this right universally.
Cheers!
Eastern Townships that is
Good for you... for the record, the eastern townships are in quebec and its where the local women organize shopping trips because it is a 2 hour trip....
I think the point in this thread has gone astray.... I am a legal gun owner with no criminal record so I should be able to carry to defend against rabbid rabbits if I feel like it..... or just carry because I feel like it... my choice...
Again, your ignorance shows as you talk down long range hunting and harvest deer at 400 plus and you singlehandedly decide what we all should carry....
Congrats on the nice bucks you have harvested.... I wont chaĺlenge you on that.... too bad you feel the need to be "superior" and challengenge the rest of us...
the bad guys already carry whatever they want. ie the concrete serengeti of inner Toronto
All one is doing with an ATC is allowing the law abiding to carry a 44 for some extra life insurance, if they wish too. Why would a fellow shooter deny someone that.
All one is doing with an ATC is allowing the law abiding to carry a 44 for some extra life insurance, if they wish too. Why would a fellow shooter deny someone that.
