Hunter shot and killed near Otter Lake Quebec
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Your anti east vitriol is well documented... and if wish us to believe you are too stupid to understand the answer to your rediculous question well ... you said it....
your the one that came out.... again.
SURE - I'll wear PINK if it prevents me being shot by one of my easter counterparts. But then again, bright orange seems to be quite ineffective judging by the number of unfortunate people getting shot. Have you considered yellow maybe...762nato said:
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Senior, I'm still waiting for you to explain to me how I am a mall ninja? and what asking about (in a knife forum) about a concieled carry weapon in a terrorist riddled country has anything to do with my views on eastern hunting accidents? or perhaps I should tell the nice man on his jihad that I would rather not be stuffed in the trunk of a car and just accept the fact I'll probably loose my head on camera?
so who's the troll now?
you're assuming again Red, and you know what they say about assumptions......
so, forgetting the pair with the east-coast-persecution complex, lets get back on topic:
with so many safety requirements in the eastern provinces, the wearing of orange, caliber restrictions, shotgun only zones, why is there a greater number of hunting related accidents (so it seems) in those provinces? are there really THAT many more hunters in the bush that it is just on par with the greater numbers (a percentage outlook)? you'd think the orange requirement would almost eliminate all but the most haphazard of hunting accidents.
close proximity? lots of hunters sharing the same patch of bush? if i am to understand correctly many ontario hunters in congested areas are fond of tree stands, this in itself should do wonders for eliminating acidental shootings as the bullets should be heading in a terminal trajectory from bang.
I don;t want to touch the issue of east vs. west gun culture and growing up around guns vs. safety as I'm sure it will just beciome a repeat of some former postings.
thoughts? I truely am currious as to an answer.
so who's the troll now?
BIGREDD said:Your anti east vitriol is well documented... and if wish us to believe you are too stupid to understand the answer to your rediculous question well ... you said it....
your the one that came out.... again.
you're assuming again Red, and you know what they say about assumptions......
so, forgetting the pair with the east-coast-persecution complex, lets get back on topic:
with so many safety requirements in the eastern provinces, the wearing of orange, caliber restrictions, shotgun only zones, why is there a greater number of hunting related accidents (so it seems) in those provinces? are there really THAT many more hunters in the bush that it is just on par with the greater numbers (a percentage outlook)? you'd think the orange requirement would almost eliminate all but the most haphazard of hunting accidents.
close proximity? lots of hunters sharing the same patch of bush? if i am to understand correctly many ontario hunters in congested areas are fond of tree stands, this in itself should do wonders for eliminating acidental shootings as the bullets should be heading in a terminal trajectory from bang.
I don;t want to touch the issue of east vs. west gun culture and growing up around guns vs. safety as I'm sure it will just beciome a repeat of some former postings.
thoughts? I truely am currious as to an answer.
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Try this for a formula..
Population of province times percentage of population that hunts!
I would safely assume the percentage of hunters would be about the same.
Or in simple terms for some
population of BC times Y or (percentage of hunters)
vs
population of Ont times Y or (percentage of hunters)
Do the math..does that number surprise you?
Population of province times percentage of population that hunts!
I would safely assume the percentage of hunters would be about the same.
Or in simple terms for some
population of BC times Y or (percentage of hunters)
vs
population of Ont times Y or (percentage of hunters)
Do the math..does that number surprise you?
I personally believe the question was intended to portray eastern hunters as somehow less safe than those in the west. No doubt in my mind... considering the source and the history.
It is not hard to figure out that more hunters equals more accidents... it sure ain't rocket science....
Here is a site where you can compare Hunting accidents between USA to Canada and if you were to correlate the population disparity I am sure the percentages of accidents to hunter numbers would be comparable! http://www.ihea.com/documents/ihea1997.pdf
It is not hard to figure out that more hunters equals more accidents... it sure ain't rocket science....
Here is a site where you can compare Hunting accidents between USA to Canada and if you were to correlate the population disparity I am sure the percentages of accidents to hunter numbers would be comparable! http://www.ihea.com/documents/ihea1997.pdf
East - West B.S. aside what colors does each province have to wear and how much of it?
Saskatchewan
Complete outer suit of Scarlet,Bright yellow, Blaze orange or White or any combination of these colors.Head gear can be any of these colors except white. No orange camo. This is just for Rifle season.Black powder and archery are whatever unless they are used in rifle season.
Rich
Saskatchewan
Complete outer suit of Scarlet,Bright yellow, Blaze orange or White or any combination of these colors.Head gear can be any of these colors except white. No orange camo. This is just for Rifle season.Black powder and archery are whatever unless they are used in rifle season.
Rich
Well, it's a shame that someone was careless enough to take a poke at his hunting buddy. I taught CORE in B.C. for many years and watched the number of rifle and shotgun "accidents" steadily decline as the effects of good training began to show. I am willing to bet that this area has just as high a hunter percentage as the east has when compared to populace, so what is happening back east? Why are there still so many hunting incidents? I see Amphibious' question as a legitimate one, not a slam at easterners. I have hunted with a guy that grew up in southern Ontario, and he is a careful, dedicated hunter and sportsman. Instead of instantly going on the defensive, maybe a careful look would be an idea. JMHO, Eagleye
God Forbid any accident like this ever occurs.
But Man I really question why it happens.
I use Binos for spotting not my scope. Years ago A freind of mine scoped me . I saw it and when he met up with me I questioned why would he point his rife in my direction ? His responce was to get a better look at me and see what I was doing.
I told him that if he wanted to hunt with me again he should
A. buy a binoculars
B. Take a gun handling course because this was one of many Faux Pas I had witnessed him do over a course of time.
he sold his rifle because he recognized he was not "comfortable using it"
I commended him for that choice. (some people are not ment to handle a firearm)
A grouse may startle me but I dont shoot at it when I hunt deer. In the bush a deer may jump from its bed and yet I do not shoot knowing fully it is a deer . I have to identify species /### and the health of the animal.
Years ago I was still hunting an area when I saw a fellow hunter approach. He was covering terrain a lot quicker than I was and it was obvious he was oblivious to my presence. I made my presence known to him through a wave and a hello . He got quite upset at me because I was in full Camo and he was in a blaze orange suit. He said He could have easily shot me because I was not wearing blaze orange ( Alberta does not require blaze orange) and he was quite rude and ignorant about this point.
I kindly informed him that baseball capped camoflaged mossy oak 2 legged waving speaking deer(human) are not a legal hunting species and if he could not identify the difference between a white tail deer and a human being in camoflage he might consider taking up a new past time.
This years moose we needed to quad out . I was adamant that we wrap the head and horns in buddies red undercoat when the head was on the front of the quad lest some ignoramous take a shot at a rare crawling suzuki moose.
I would rather miss out on 100 years of deer than being a movement shooter.
100% sure of target 100% sure of background . If not then I come back with 100% of the bullets I started with.
But Man I really question why it happens.
I use Binos for spotting not my scope. Years ago A freind of mine scoped me . I saw it and when he met up with me I questioned why would he point his rife in my direction ? His responce was to get a better look at me and see what I was doing.
I told him that if he wanted to hunt with me again he should
A. buy a binoculars
B. Take a gun handling course because this was one of many Faux Pas I had witnessed him do over a course of time.
he sold his rifle because he recognized he was not "comfortable using it"
I commended him for that choice. (some people are not ment to handle a firearm)
A grouse may startle me but I dont shoot at it when I hunt deer.
In the bush a deer may jump from its bed and yet I do not shoot knowing fully it is a deer . I have to identify species /### and the health of the animal.Years ago I was still hunting an area when I saw a fellow hunter approach. He was covering terrain a lot quicker than I was and it was obvious he was oblivious to my presence. I made my presence known to him through a wave and a hello . He got quite upset at me because I was in full Camo and he was in a blaze orange suit. He said He could have easily shot me because I was not wearing blaze orange ( Alberta does not require blaze orange) and he was quite rude and ignorant about this point.
I kindly informed him that baseball capped camoflaged mossy oak 2 legged waving speaking deer(human) are not a legal hunting species and if he could not identify the difference between a white tail deer and a human being in camoflage he might consider taking up a new past time.
This years moose we needed to quad out . I was adamant that we wrap the head and horns in buddies red undercoat when the head was on the front of the quad lest some ignoramous take a shot at a rare crawling suzuki moose.
I would rather miss out on 100 years of deer than being a movement shooter.
100% sure of target 100% sure of background . If not then I come back with 100% of the bullets I started with.
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If someone shoots me while out hunting(including my hunting partners), they had better kill me with the first shot. Cause if I am not dead, I will be shooting back
I dont wear blaze orange and never intend to. I have seen guys watching other hunters wearing blaze with thier rifle scopes(using them as binos). I myself would rather go unseen and not alert other people to where I am. But where we hunt, we hardly see other people so I am not too worried.
We usually only get worried when we see guys wearing blaze orange sneaking around in the bush while driving in or out from where we hunt.
I dont wear blaze orange and never intend to. I have seen guys watching other hunters wearing blaze with thier rifle scopes(using them as binos). I myself would rather go unseen and not alert other people to where I am. But where we hunt, we hardly see other people so I am not too worried.
We usually only get worried when we see guys wearing blaze orange sneaking around in the bush while driving in or out from where we hunt.
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Timo said:
I fear this thread will become a wizzing contest. I've hunted purdy much every where. And yes theres NEVER an excuse for an accident of any nature the hunting in the west is totally different than the thick of quebec. West is more like the plains of africa. As for many accidents here in the east the reason is the same as the reason we wear blaze to begin with. Here you dont snipe an animal that you've had a chance to watch for God knows how long like the west and africa. Instead you reflex shoot at something that jumps out of a swamp in stuff so thick its like jungle.. Probably 80+% of the hunters in quebec and northern ontario are using 35 cal or bigger. In the west its the long shootin flat fliers. We have to plow through whatever the animal is behind in a snap situation....Example,When shows like canada in the rough are filmed just watch how many are done with whitetail in the thick. Their typically shows on western animals.or sheep,etc etc. It would make for a boring show if the guy never had time to talk to the camera. You only saw him walk through the bush,then all of a sudden a tangle of fur took off out from under him and he blasted. How many in the west can say they walk through total and utter #### for 2 weeks to see one deer? and not cause we dont have em ,its just that their numbers are lower than yours and we dont get to spot heards in different places and select after minutes yes sometimes hours..In another post here someone complained as to the lack of trophy whitetail in some parts of the west. When your in an environment where you can sit on a hilltop and select hunt.....No I'm goin to say it,select shoot, the trophies out you create a trophyless herd...Anyway back on topic. Never a reason to take a human life,but until you've been immersed in both worlds I wouldnt comment if it were me. 100% sure,100% this 100% that in the quote above. Sounds like a lot of time to think.The same amount of time I've seen while in the west,the same amount of time we have also called the C**N**D hunt here so many times..
Timo said:
I fear this thread will become a wizzing contest. I've hunted purdy much every where. And yes theres NEVER an excuse for an accident of any nature the hunting in the west is totally different than the thick of quebec. West is more like the plains of africa. As for many accidents here in the east the reason is the same as the reason we wear blaze to begin with. Here you dont snipe an animal that you've had a chance to watch for God knows how long like the west and africa. Instead you reflex shoot at something that jumps out of a swamp in stuff so thick its like jungle.. Probably 80+% of the hunters in quebec and northern ontario are using 35 cal or bigger. In the west its the long shootin flat fliers. We have to plow through whatever the animal is behind in a snap situation....Example,When shows like canada in the rough are filmed just watch how many are done with whitetail in the thick. Their typically shows on western animals.or sheep,etc etc. It would make for a boring show if the guy never had time to talk to the camera. You only saw him walk through the bush,then all of a sudden a tangle of fur took off out from under him and he blasted. How many in the west can say they walk through total and utter #### for 2 weeks to see one deer? and not cause we dont have em ,its just that their numbers are lower than yours and we dont get to spot heards in different places and select after minutes yes sometimes hours..In another post here someone complained as to the lack of trophy whitetail in some parts of the west. When your in an environment where you can sit on a hilltop and select hunt.....No I'm goin to say it,select shoot, the trophies out you create a trophyless herd...Anyway back on topic. Never a reason to take a human life,but until you've been immersed in both worlds I wouldnt comment if it were me. 100% sure,100% this 100% that in the quote above. Sounds like a lot of time to think.The same amount of time I've seen while in the west,the same amount of time we have also called the C**N**D hunt here so many times..
I'm convinced we have more accidents in Ontario because we have more "Hunters" that only participate in hunting for 5 days out of the year.
I would guess that 75% of the deer hunters in the bush in Ontario during the first week of November only hunt those 5 days per year and thats it. No moose, no rabbits, no ducks, nothing. Maybe its because most of them live in Urban areas or work 7 days a week and dont get the opportunity to hunt more or maybe they are only interested in hunting deer, who knows??
I would imagine with the bountiful game in the west a good percentage of hunters partake in several hunts for several species per year.
I think this difference leads to Ontario having more guys in the bush with the " I amy only get one chance this year" mentality. I said before in another thread, how many times have you heard a story like this from the local "one week a year hunter"
"I saw him run across the field and go in behind that cedar tree so I waited until I seen movement behind the cedar.....then I let him have it."
or
"I heard him coming so I got ready, I took 3 shots at him going through the thick slash but I got him, turned out to be a doe so johnny and I had to go down town and round up a doe tag"
I would guess that 75% of the deer hunters in the bush in Ontario during the first week of November only hunt those 5 days per year and thats it. No moose, no rabbits, no ducks, nothing. Maybe its because most of them live in Urban areas or work 7 days a week and dont get the opportunity to hunt more or maybe they are only interested in hunting deer, who knows??
I would imagine with the bountiful game in the west a good percentage of hunters partake in several hunts for several species per year.
I think this difference leads to Ontario having more guys in the bush with the " I amy only get one chance this year" mentality. I said before in another thread, how many times have you heard a story like this from the local "one week a year hunter"
"I saw him run across the field and go in behind that cedar tree so I waited until I seen movement behind the cedar.....then I let him have it."
or
"I heard him coming so I got ready, I took 3 shots at him going through the thick slash but I got him, turned out to be a doe so johnny and I had to go down town and round up a doe tag"
^gth, I agree.
I also believe a contributor is lack of public shooting ranges/places and/or Club membership.
I believe that people who shoot more, recreationally or competetively and handle their firearms more, are more likely to be safer. Less likely to have the itchy finger.
I also believe a contributor is lack of public shooting ranges/places and/or Club membership.
I believe that people who shoot more, recreationally or competetively and handle their firearms more, are more likely to be safer. Less likely to have the itchy finger.
gth said:
You may be right on the 5 day a year hunting but I have NEVER heard of anyone "then I let him have it." with-out identifing the target.
Statement two is also only partially correct, yes 3 shots at an (identified) deer throu a slash but if NOT if you don't have a Doe tag (party hunting) in camp!
No-one in our camp would do or say those things nor would anyone in any camp I know of
Something else that might contribute to above IF it's true
would be the fact that we generally hunt out of camps in an area instead of singlly spread out across the country.
