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Finally, someone who "gets it!"! The X-bolt is a real solid choice for the the price point.
Here's a tip...if you buy a new rifle for under $500 it just might be a piece of $hit
Hunting rifle w rmovable mag.
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Finally, someone who "gets it!"! The X-bolt is a real solid choice for the the price point.
Here's a tip...if you buy a new rifle for under $500 it just might be a piece of $hit
Finally, someone who "gets it!"! The X-bolt is a real solid choice for the the price point.
Here's a tip...if you buy a new rifle for under $500 it just might be a piece of $hit
And so might the Browning be for twice that.
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As far as the magazine system goes, I really like the Remington design in that you can also top load when the magazine is installed. With Tikka and X-bolt, you can only load the magazine when it is out of the rifle. No top loading option. I don't know what the savages are like.
As far as accuracy goes, the Tikka and X-bolt WILL be excellent shooters. The Remington MAY be a poor/good/great shooter. I don't know about the savages.
Still, I'd lean towards a 700 SPS DM, or a Tikka or a X-bolt. The only gun that I'd consider that costs less [new] than a SPS would be a Marlin x-series, but it doesn't have the detach mag. Can you tell I'm not crazy about savage?
As far as accuracy goes, the Tikka and X-bolt WILL be excellent shooters. The Remington MAY be a poor/good/great shooter. I don't know about the savages.
Still, I'd lean towards a 700 SPS DM, or a Tikka or a X-bolt. The only gun that I'd consider that costs less [new] than a SPS would be a Marlin x-series, but it doesn't have the detach mag. Can you tell I'm not crazy about savage?
James Paris Lee, a Canadian, INVENTED the removable box magazine and yet NONE of you guys thought fit even to mention this.
For shame!
Allright, I'll mention it: Lee-Enfield rifle in .303 British. Tough as NAILS, simple as a rock, enough power to anchor anything in North America, ammo available everywhere. Price? You can still find half-decent sporter conversions under $100 with excellent barrels. I know this: I bought two yesterday!
Look for something on the Number 4 action. If you like aperture sights (don't break when you drop it), it's already equipped. If you want to scope it, you can stick on an S&K mount and have it on in 10 minutes, no holes to drill, no holes to tap and the mount is as solid as a brick. Sure, it's almost 100 bucks, but it would cost you $60or better to get the holes drilled and another 20 for bases..... so it's only 20 bucks extra. Put on whatever scope you like, sight it in with the old Army method (2 rounds only) and you're away to the races with the toughest rifle ever built. And they're not really as inaccurate as folks would say; I have several that shoot MOA.
Not bad for WWI and WWII junkers.
For shame!
Allright, I'll mention it: Lee-Enfield rifle in .303 British. Tough as NAILS, simple as a rock, enough power to anchor anything in North America, ammo available everywhere. Price? You can still find half-decent sporter conversions under $100 with excellent barrels. I know this: I bought two yesterday!
Look for something on the Number 4 action. If you like aperture sights (don't break when you drop it), it's already equipped. If you want to scope it, you can stick on an S&K mount and have it on in 10 minutes, no holes to drill, no holes to tap and the mount is as solid as a brick. Sure, it's almost 100 bucks, but it would cost you $60or better to get the holes drilled and another 20 for bases..... so it's only 20 bucks extra. Put on whatever scope you like, sight it in with the old Army method (2 rounds only) and you're away to the races with the toughest rifle ever built. And they're not really as inaccurate as folks would say; I have several that shoot MOA.
Not bad for WWI and WWII junkers.
BTW, forgot to mention: if your son happens to be 5 feet tall..... or 6-foot-9, you can remove the butt of a Lee-Enfield and install one of the correct length for that shooter.
For the early model (Number 1) 4 butts lengths were available: Bantam, Short, Normal, Long.
For the later model, the Number 4, there were Bantam, Short, Normal, Long, Extra Long, Extra Extra Long.
Magazines hold 10 rounds, of course and they feed VERY well if you bother to learn how to load them right.
As to manufacturers, you might try:
AIA in Australia
Lithgow, also Australia
Enfield, England
BSA (Small Heath) England
ROF Fazakerly
ROF Maltby
BSA Shirley
Ishapore Arsenal, India
Pakistan Ordnance factories, Wah Cantt, Pakistan
Sparkbrook ROF, England
Standard Small Arms, England
National Rifle Factory, England
Savage/Stevens, USA and, of course, we can't forget
Long Branch (Ontario).
They're not really scarce, you might say.
And if your son is into shooting the old black-powder cartridges, he might consider an 1879 Lee, made by Remington, in .43 Spanish or .45-70. The later 1899 Remington-Lee used a variety of cartridges, including 7x57 (EXCELLENT deer cartridge), .30-40 Krag, .303 British and a few others.
Think about it. From a maintenance point of view, likely the single most perfect rifle ever designed. It's been around for more than 120 years, it's still being mocked because it isn't pretty enough.... and it will still be WORKING when all the rest are in for repairs.
For the early model (Number 1) 4 butts lengths were available: Bantam, Short, Normal, Long.
For the later model, the Number 4, there were Bantam, Short, Normal, Long, Extra Long, Extra Extra Long.
Magazines hold 10 rounds, of course and they feed VERY well if you bother to learn how to load them right.
As to manufacturers, you might try:
AIA in Australia
Lithgow, also Australia
Enfield, England
BSA (Small Heath) England
ROF Fazakerly
ROF Maltby
BSA Shirley
Ishapore Arsenal, India
Pakistan Ordnance factories, Wah Cantt, Pakistan
Sparkbrook ROF, England
Standard Small Arms, England
National Rifle Factory, England
Savage/Stevens, USA and, of course, we can't forget
Long Branch (Ontario).
They're not really scarce, you might say.
And if your son is into shooting the old black-powder cartridges, he might consider an 1879 Lee, made by Remington, in .43 Spanish or .45-70. The later 1899 Remington-Lee used a variety of cartridges, including 7x57 (EXCELLENT deer cartridge), .30-40 Krag, .303 British and a few others.
Think about it. From a maintenance point of view, likely the single most perfect rifle ever designed. It's been around for more than 120 years, it's still being mocked because it isn't pretty enough.... and it will still be WORKING when all the rest are in for repairs.
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Thanks for all of the input.
I have bolt actions that he can use, but Connor of course, wants to buy a gun of his own.
Right now it's looking like a Ruger Ranch rifle, and I'm liking his choice.
If he wants accuracy, he can take my 270 L-61 action Sako.
I have bolt actions that he can use, but Connor of course, wants to buy a gun of his own.
Right now it's looking like a Ruger Ranch rifle, and I'm liking his choice.
If he wants accuracy, he can take my 270 L-61 action Sako.
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Magazines
I bought a Remington S/S with DM back in '98. After 12 years of field use I can say that personally, I'd be just fine with the hinged floor-plate system.
I managed to mis-place a mag on a hunt 2 years ago, but had a spare fortunately.
Geoff
I bought a Remington S/S with DM back in '98. After 12 years of field use I can say that personally, I'd be just fine with the hinged floor-plate system.
I managed to mis-place a mag on a hunt 2 years ago, but had a spare fortunately.
Geoff
I honestly don't think there are any situations where I'd want to be carrying one of those.
I don't hunt from a truck much, but if we are driving in a truck with rifle(s) the bolts are always open.
If I do surprise something I just hop out of the truck, pull a round off my belt (or off my stock), drop a round in the open action, then shoot the animal in question....Happens quick and is not real complicated?
Why would I need a second shot?
This isn't target practice?
Why anyone needs a clip to go hunting is beyond me.
A clip is just one more thing to keep track of and another thing to go wrong.
I have seen numerous and epic failures on both accounts.
When I hunt all I ever have is one round in the box.
Hunting grizz or whatever I might load up, but that is about it.
Time spent shooting = Confidence
Confidence stops you from wondering about clips and other silly sh1t.
If I do surprise something I just hop out of the truck, pull a round off my belt (or off my stock), drop a round in the open action, then shoot the animal in question....Happens quick and is not real complicated?
Why would I need a second shot?
This isn't target practice?
Why anyone needs a clip to go hunting is beyond me.
A clip is just one more thing to keep track of and another thing to go wrong.
I have seen numerous and epic failures on both accounts.
When I hunt all I ever have is one round in the box.
Hunting grizz or whatever I might load up, but that is about it.
Time spent shooting = Confidence
Confidence stops you from wondering about clips and other silly sh1t.
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- Maple Ridge, BC
I don't hunt from a truck much, but if we are driving in a truck with rifle(s) the bolts are always open.
If I do surprise something I just hop out of the truck, pull a round off my belt (or off my stock), drop a round in the open action, then shoot the animal in question....Happens quick and is not real complicated?
Why would I need a second shot?
This isn't target practice?
Why anyone needs a clip to go hunting is beyond me.
A clip is just one more thing to keep track of and another thing to go wrong.
I have seen numerous and epic failures on both accounts.
When I hunt all I ever have is one round in the box.
Hunting grizz or whatever I might load up, but that is about it.
Time spent shooting = Confidence
Confidence stops you from wondering about clips and other silly sh1t.
100%
I do the same thing...drop in a round and close the action.
DM's are way overrated.
I agree 100%,I have owned many rifles with detachable magazines,but I have never owned a clip to load any of my rifles.In fact none of my rifles were even designed to be loaded with a clip.But then again,the topic of this thread was detachable magazines,not clips,and they are not the same thing,even though some people seem to use the words interchangeably.
I agree 100%,I have owned many rifles with detachable magazines,but I have never owned a clip to load any of my rifles.In fact none of my rifles were even designed to be loaded with a clip.But then again,the topic of this thread was detachable magazines,not clips,and they are not the same thing,even though some people seem to use the words interchangeably.
Please explain the difference.
I feel like I am about to learn something.
A MAGAZINE is a device attached to, or part of, the rifle, containing the ready-ammunition supply. A Lee-Enfield, for example, is equipped with a 10-round detachable box-type (Lee-type, in the older books) MAGAZINE.
A CHARGER is a device for carrying spare cartridges and which may be used for loading or reloading the magazine. Lee-Enfields, for example, use "chargers" to reload the magazines. So do Mausers, for that matter, even quite a few of the commercial ones, if you care to look.
A CLIP is a device which holds a supply of ammunition for a rifle's non-detachable magazine. The CLIP and the cartridges it holds are inserted into the magazine as an assembly, the CLIP thus becoming an integral, replaceable part of the magazine. The US Rifle, caliber .30 M-1, also called the "Garand" for its Canadian designer) uses CLIPS, as do many MANNLICHER-type rifles, the French BERTHIER and the 6mm LEE Straight-pull. In all of these, the clip AND the ammo go into the magazine. In most rifles, the empty clips fall out of the bottom of the rifle as the final round is chambered. In the Garand, the clip is ejected upward as the final casing is ejected.
'Nuff said.
A CHARGER is a device for carrying spare cartridges and which may be used for loading or reloading the magazine. Lee-Enfields, for example, use "chargers" to reload the magazines. So do Mausers, for that matter, even quite a few of the commercial ones, if you care to look.
A CLIP is a device which holds a supply of ammunition for a rifle's non-detachable magazine. The CLIP and the cartridges it holds are inserted into the magazine as an assembly, the CLIP thus becoming an integral, replaceable part of the magazine. The US Rifle, caliber .30 M-1, also called the "Garand" for its Canadian designer) uses CLIPS, as do many MANNLICHER-type rifles, the French BERTHIER and the 6mm LEE Straight-pull. In all of these, the clip AND the ammo go into the magazine. In most rifles, the empty clips fall out of the bottom of the rifle as the final round is chambered. In the Garand, the clip is ejected upward as the final casing is ejected.
'Nuff said.
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