- Location
- The Conservative part of Ontario
And of course once the open the door to using ME as a ban criterion, what level ME comes next round? Gatehouse may be selling courses on spear chucking next.
Hunting rifles are on the ban list
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Right, this is why as far as muzzle energy, the 130>150 in 270 WCF. The 150>170 in the 30-30, the 150>200 in the 300 Wby, the 270>300 in 375 Ruger, the 125>158 in 357 Mag, etc etc.
The 470 has more case capacity than the 460 Wby
If the 416 Wby can push a 400 grainer at 2700fps (8780J), it, the 450/400 and the Rigby are CAPABLE of making 10k with a lighter bullet as is the old 577/450 Martini.
My guess is any case larger than the 458 Winchester over 40 cal is capable of making 10k with bullets +/- 200 grains. Velocity is squared.
You are confusing real world physics with your untested theory, ie. "X" .40 cal plus cartridge with "Y" microscopic bullet @ 1 Billion feet per second equals "BANNED."
Wrong, squaring velocity in the KE calculation does not inflate work by its square. In the real world of applied physics you will find that the opposite occurs. It is tough to show this with the larger cartridges, because nobody is making Superlight bullets for them and testing loads for that combination... but let's use a more moderate example and extrapolate data directly from the latest Nosler manual.
Using the .338 Lapua Magnum as a test case.
.338 LM with 300 grain bullet @ 2732 fps has KE = 6739.86 J
With your theory, a 200 grain bullet should have significantly more energy (as you said repeatedly, velocity is squared). Here is what we find in the real world;
.338 LM with 200 grain bullet @ 3188 fps has KE = 6118.36 J
Huh? Velocity was squared but the energy expressed in joules went down? This is because in the real world increased mass more efficiently utilizes the applied force and in addition it overcomes detracting factors such as friction and resistance.
Do you really think that our incompetent government are going to hire a team of scientists to manufacture and test ridiculously light bullets in order to ban firearms chambered large bore cartridges?
Here are some numbers for the top loads from manuals for various cartridges, as noted above, in the real world utilizing very light bullets will NOT dramatically increase the energy expressed in joules;
458 WM with 250, KE = 6557.52 J
.460 Wby with 350, KE = 8306.72 J
.470 NE with 500 = KE = 7178.66 J
.375 RUM with 260 = KE = 7166.03 J
.416 RM with 400 = KE = 7543.1 J
Mini 30 on ban list too..
Theoretical physics and applied physics don't always line up... for example any archer can tell you that a heavier arrow nets MORE kinetic energy in real world numbers (mass times chronographed velocity squared), than does a lighter arrow travelling faster, with the same force applied to each. The principle holds true for bullets also. I can understand why there is confusion amongst people when they see the velocity being squared in the formula... this just does not translate in the real world.
With bullets and the myriad of powders and components, the practical application becomes far more convoluted and can only be confirmed with actual testing... until then we are stuck with generalizations and the experts data(manufacturers; ie, Nosler, Hornady, Hodgdon etc...).
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In the early 90's there was an article entitled something like "A 4000 Feet per Second 458" in a magazine named something like "Canadian Hunting and Shooting".
In it the author took the 458 Winchester in a Ruger No 1 to 4000 fps using 30 caliber bullets and homemade sabots made out of teflon spacers or something like that.
If the 30 cal bullet and sabot weighed 208 grains or more, that is 10,000 joules.
In it the author took the 458 Winchester in a Ruger No 1 to 4000 fps using 30 caliber bullets and homemade sabots made out of teflon spacers or something like that.
If the 30 cal bullet and sabot weighed 208 grains or more, that is 10,000 joules.
- Location
- Haliburton County, Central Ontario
I get the feeling maybe some on here have not seen this?
https://s3.amazonaws.com/CSSA/PDF/2020-05-13-CSSA-Legal-Opinion-Capable-of-10K-Joules.pdf
https://s3.amazonaws.com/CSSA/PDF/2020-05-13-CSSA-Legal-Opinion-Capable-of-10K-Joules.pdf
Aprilia Man
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Canadian "WET" Coast (Raincouver)
Aside from the May 1, 2020 list more were added
(see link)https://www.armalytics.ca/oic-additional-firearms?size=n_5_n
Wake up for Gods sake.
We have a PM who is not capable of running a street side lemon aid stand.
Give away a couple hundred million a day each and every day.
Makes you feel good right?
Think his BS is coming for your 460?
This pack of clowns couldn’t ref a rock fight in a gravel pit.
We have a PM who is not capable of running a street side lemon aid stand.
Give away a couple hundred million a day each and every day.
Makes you feel good right?
Think his BS is coming for your 460?
This pack of clowns couldn’t ref a rock fight in a gravel pit.
sharp shooter
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Essex county (Ontario)
Buzz off.
What I think is that we are all on the same team here, we are all shooting sports enthusiasts, and this fascist BAN marks a significant shift in how we move forward... it would behoove us to not quibble over scraps and debate nuances, but collectively do all we can to let the government know that this is NOT "ok." Nobody here is happy about a single gun being banned, let alone thousands.
