Hunting with Black Rifles

[Still alive]

My XCR-M in 308 scoped is 9.x it needs to be slung, but is at the top end of what I want to carry around.

Is that loaded? Is yours the keymod or the Gen 2 quad rail?
Mine weighed 12.6 unloaded but has a Harris bipod.

 

[onetwentyish]

why would being NR have anything to do with being black?

Maybe he was associating the term "black" with oppression.

 

[onetwentyish]

So, question, is the MH "black" given that it is NR??

"Black" or "Green" rifles refers to modern sporting rifles that cosmetically resemble firearms that the media would incorrectly describe as "assault" rifles.

Civilian legal 'military-style' sporting rifles are not select fire (cannot fire full-auto or burst) and by definition, cannot be properly or legally described as "assault" rifles.

The black and green terms refers to the most common colours or finishes found on these rifles. The original M-16 (which incidentally does meet the requirements of an assault rifle) was also nicknamed, "The Black Rifle." However, we firearms enthusiasts have co-opted the term for our own use, as it is relatively benign and print friendly.

In Canada, semi-auto sporting rifles such as the AR-15 and variants, Rob Arms XCR, SIG Classic Green/Black Special/Blue Star series of rifles (outwardly they resemble the Sig 550 series/family but aren't), Armalite AR-180 and a host of others all fall under this general, catch-all 'category' of "Black" & "Green" rifles.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/520816-quot-Black-Rifles-quot

An excellent response to a similar question about the true meaning of the term black rifle.

Please don't revive this 6yr old dead thread!

 

[xdmer]

Keymod, light profile scoped with a buckmaster 4-12, aluminum rings. Loaded with a metal mag it's just over 10 lb. like 10.2

Is that loaded? Is yours the keymod or the Gen 2 quad rail?
Mine weighed 12.6 unloaded but has a Harris bipod.

 

[Still alive]

Keymod, light profile scoped with a buckmaster 4-12, aluminum rings. Loaded with a metal mag it's just over 10 lb. like 10.2

That's almost a 33% weight savings over my Gen2 heavy barrel!

 

[xdmer]

I had a gen 2 heavy barrel in 556 years ago, and sold it because 1) it was too heavy, and more importantly 2) it was too front heavy. The keymods in XCR-m and XCR-L's are much better balanced.

That's almost a 33% weight savings over my Gen2 heavy barrel!

 

[zupermann]

When I did hunt (late 1980's), I always took my black rifles because I wanted to "normalize" these rifles amoungst people who should know better (i.e. Joe Hunter).
Met one CO who asked me a couple of times if it (the rifle) was full auto or not. my reply of it being unrestricted was good enough for him

 

[Still alive]

I had a gen 2 heavy barrel in 556 years ago, and sold it because 1) it was too heavy, and more importantly 2) it was too front heavy. The keymods in XCR-m and XCR-L's are much better balanced.

I had the same Gen2 L and agree with your assessment. Mine has gone to another home too. Only reason I'm keeping the M is it is a good DMR type rifle and I can accept the weight in a .308 but not a .223. Still not a hunting gun though!

 

[andrew3081]

That's almost a 33% weight savings over my Gen2 heavy barrel!

Heavy barrel is almost 50% more accurate than light barrel after a few shots. It is a trade off I guess.

 

[KRJ]

Absolutely.

And I am going to shoot a deer with my Tavor some day, and I plan to use 64 grain Winchester PowerPoints.

If a Conservation or Police Officer takes issue with my NR Tavor, they won't be leaving with my firearm. They will get on the radio & computer & figure out THEY are in the wrong.

Cheers
Jay

Jay, depending on who answers that radio call they may be leaving with your rifle. Police can seize anything that may be evidence in a criminal investigation. It will be held until the investigation ends or you make a successful challenge to a higher court in that province. FRT number or not if it goes that way it will be several months.

It was around 6 for me to get back a single shot cooey, asks and a glock .40 cal mag. The police didn't break any laws when they took them.

 

[James1873]

id like too. but i get enough stink eye from random strangers if they see my with a typical hunting rifle. imagine taking out an ar 10 for deer hunting lol. people would probably call the cops

 

[Robert777]

I take my Vz-58 deer hunting in Ontario. I have not had an encounter with any LEOs yet.

 

[Moe]

Tavor FRT#126799 . I keep it folded up with my small game/coyote license.

Thanks for the FRT.

Absolutely.

And I am going to shoot a deer with my Tavor some day, and I plan to use 64 grain Winchester PowerPoints.

If a Conservation or Police Officer takes issue with my NR Tavor, they won't be leaving with my firearm. They will get on the radio & computer & figure out THEY are in the wrong.

Cheers
Jay

I have moved on from the Win PP 64gr years ago. There are some better performing 224 projectiles to load for deer. I use 65gr BT Sierra Game Kings.

Moe

 

[bkelly4790]

I have no expierence with it in Canada but I have hunted all over the US with my SR25 and OBR.

When I'm back home in VA I go hunting pretty much exclusively with my SR25 gets the odd look and stupid "WHY YOU NEED 30 BULLETS TO KILL A DEER" comments from fudds but they never seem to understand it has to have a 5 round mag according to state law. Never had any real problems before besides a game warden making me take apart the PMAG to show the limiter I had installed to make sure I was in compliance.

 

[Sqr]

I have no expierence with it in Canada but I have hunted all over the US with my SR25 and OBR.

When I'm back home in VA I go hunting pretty much exclusively with my SR25 gets the odd look and stupid "WHY YOU NEED 30 BULLETS TO KILL A DEER" comments from fudds but they never seem to understand it has to have a 5 round mag according to state law. Never had any real problems before besides a game warden making me take apart the PMAG to show the limiter I had installed to make sure I was in compliance.

Like Wise, however to keep the authorities at bay I do not have any large capacity mag's in position that have been pinned. I usually carry the 10,5 and on the occasion a 1 round mag.

 

[Moe]

Like Wise, however to keep the authorities at bay I do not have any large capacity mag's in position that have been pinned. I usually carry the 10,5 and on the occasion a 1 round mag.

Good point. I haven't hunted with my Tavor yet but I think I will take that advice. No need for 15-17 rounds in the rifle with Beowulf mags for hunting. It only would make my position more difficult for me and unnecessary for hunting. Think I will stick to the lower profile RRA Lar 15 mag holding just 10.

Moe

 

[Brian46]

^Some provinces have capacity laws for hunting

 

[Gunneegoogoo]

^Some provinces have capacity laws for hunting

SK does. 4+1 for centerfire rifles.

-J.

 

[Moe]

^Some provinces have capacity laws for hunting

Yep true that but in NB we have only to plug out shotguns to 2+1 for migratory bird hunting. Other shotgun hunting and rifle hunting here have no limit.

Moe

 

[Kiwiman1]

They are not black rifles anymore. They are African American rifles now. Don't you guys know it is 2016 after all.