Hunting with Lead

Would you consider using 3-500grs of solid lead for hunting?

  • Yes

    Votes: 49 86.0%
  • No

    Votes: 8 14.0%

  • Total voters
    57
  • Poll closed .

Dosing

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If you bare in mind that hunting before Deutsche Metallpatronenfabrik developed the compound bullet in the early 1880s tended to revolve around lead projectiles, it makes you, or at least me wonder why people freak over the notion of cast lead for hunting.
Historically many hunters used big azz wads of lead, 3-400 grains to down anything from a whitetail deer to elephants. If you consider rounds like the 11mms, the 45 and 50 cals that were in abundance into the early 1920s, and in some cases the 1940s, it begs the question of why people are so sold on core bonded, ballistic tipped, copper solids etc.
Certainly DM showed that a compound bullet, copper jacket etc, would penetrate deeper, but the big wad of 400grs of lead still dropped a lot of game cleanly....like a bulldozer.
Then the crap bullets started coming, with every johnny-come-lately trying to build a super-fast wizbang bullet that would knock a critter down like lightening. And the results were alot of craptacular bullets, and some pretty bad results (note, don't hunt a Lion with a 120gr bullet...:D ).
Regardless we were left with the goofy arguement of 'big and slow versus light and fast', and that loopy argument is still with us 100 years later.
Anyway that isn't the topic I am interested in. I am interested in knowing wether or not people would still use a solid lead projectile for hunting, be it whitetail, bear or for you Ruark wannabes, Lion or Cape Buff.
Think 3-500 grains, would you use it?
To me its just like a 12ga slug....only bigger...
 
If all go well, I will be using cast lead slugs next fall in my 38-55. As long as they aren't cast too hard as per Cat has mentioned, they should work just fine, should they not?
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the super ultra whiz bang crowd has pushed their stuff so much it may be hard for alot of people to realize where we started out with hunting on this continent. Although I am new to the cast scene myself, just take one look at what rifles were used to decimate the buffalow herds, I bet they weren't getting the smack down from jacketed bullets. As long as a suitable caliber and weight is used and put in the right spot you will get your game every time.
 
I shoot nothing but cast lead pills of 405gr or bigger in my .45-70 sharps. Believe me, if I hit a white-tail with that bullet it's going do drop like it was hit by an atom bomb despite the relatively slow velocity.

ft.lbs of energy is NOT the only factor. Mass and bullet diameter have a pile to do with it too ;)
 
death-junky said:
i would but i dont use anything like that because it is too hard to get ahold of.

Bullet Barn (thebulletbarn.com) on the Sunshine Coast do a pretty good selection of hard cast bullets.

:) Stuart
 
What do you want cast to go thru??
I cast some 240gr swc( pure linotype) for my 44mag loaded with 10gr of titegroup fired from ruger super black hawk 7 1/2" bbl. It goes thru the belted tread of a tire then the rim and dents a steel post.
Want to see some penetration check this site and look at last gun for cast lead from a 45-70
http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot4.htm
 
Dosing said:
I am interested in knowing wether or not people would still use a solid lead projectile for hunting, be it whitetail, bear or for you Ruark wannabes, Lion or Cape Buff.
Think 3-500 grains, would you use it?
YES:D
These are what I've been playing with lately...
500grHCGC001.jpg

500 Grain, gas checked/hard cast in the 458 Mag, they sure shoot well and Dwarf the Lil 350 grain Hornies ;)
Should find out how they perform on Bears this Spring :cool:
 
airwapiti said:
to each his own, but those of us who don't have a forge and seven dwarves to run it are going to run into the problems of availability and cost.

Buy a 60,000 BTU burner ($80US at Buffalo Arms), a dipper ($10), an old wide spoon for cleaning the dross off the melt (free if you boost it from the old lady), a mould (Lyman 457193 $50 US), handles ($30US), some flux and some welding gloves and you're set. You can hand lube the bullets if you want or spend the money for a lube-sizer. You can be casting bullets for under $300. Lead in the form of wheelweights can be had free or damn near from a local tire shop.

The only reason no to cast is a lack of desire.

And if you want to shoot cast bullets, you can always buy them yourself from someone like the Bullet Barn.
 
Does pure lead fragment much on impact?

Too much fragmentation would interupt the transfer of energy wouldn't it?

Then again, 400 grains of lead is quite a wad I suppose losing a few wouldn't hurt................

I've never shot large caliber lead, but you guys make it sound mighty tempting.
 
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catnthehatt said:
Nope, pere lead has very good cohesion , it sticks together very well....
Cat

Yup, nice and soft.

Hey cat, what ever became of the bicycle gun project you were talking about? I can't find the thread on the campfire?
 
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