I can't shoot handguns worth a $#&@!!!!

The Army man's gone AWOL....... :)

Haha no no, bout wow thanks for all the responses guys. Defiantly lots of sound advice. Moneys a little tight right now so buying another handgun won't happen for a bit. I do have an old work friend that used to be in the Mexican army and he shoots IPSC, I'll try to arrange a range session with him to help me out.

It's just so frustrating being fast and accurate with a rifle to making a connect-the-dots with a handgun.

I hate the trigger on my M&P40 it's very stiff and hard to tell when its going to break. I know it should surprise me but this is different (not trying to blame my equipment :p)
 
The best thing I can think of is dry fire practice. I couldn't tell you how many people I've seen with a HUGE flinch when shooting handguns, and they don't even realize they're doing it, or don't want to admit it. I've proved it a couple times by loading a revolver with only 5 rounds. Seems to me to be the biggest cause of poor handgun shooting. More often than not, it's not the gun, it's the jerk behind the trigger :)



Absolutely spot on! Save your ammo, put them in your safe. Do this first. Dry fire until you see the sights remain on target as you squeeze the trigger and follow-through (keep still 1 second after the shot).

100 dry fire twice a day, for a week. Then go to the range. Dry fire 100 shots. then load one round. (assuming your sights are zeroed). if you hit what you were aiming at, great. If not, do another 20 dry. Every time you miss one live shot, go back to 20 dry. Discipline and patience will reward you immensely.

One hit is better than a hundred near misses.

jerk behind the trigger
double talk.....funny! it's jerk, the verb.
 
I was taking a half dozen different guns, pistols and revolvers to the range and was lucky to hit the target let alone group the shots. I have started taking just a really good .22 target pistol, single shot and the best S&W revolver I have shooting .38 Special. It has made a remarkable difference to me. One big issue for me was the rear sights are too wide and I could move the front sight all over the place inside the rear sight. The above S&W has custom sights and is much tighter. I'm going to continue with the 2 guns until I have convinced myself that I can hit where I want than concentrate on 2 other guns.

Another issue is ammo differences. I found that my Lee Perfect Powder measure had gathered powder around the funnel and was not delivering the same shot every time. Not good at all. I was weighting the charges before and after but never caught the errors but it was obvious and there was always a lot of powder on the table around the dispenser. After I cleaned the funnel there has been no more powder lost on the table.
 
If you can shoot a rifle well, then you should be able to do the same with a pistol. Trigger control is important with both and you say there is no problem with the long gun. Need to have consistent grip, keep that front sight in focus and not immediately look to see where the shot went. I usually start people off with a plain white target and put a red dot sticker in the middle of it and have them aim at that(10yards) to help them focus on a specific aiming point. Once the grouping becomes good, then can move the target back to 15 and repeat. People who are poor shots usually suffer mostly from poor concentration which is easily and quickly fixed.
 
......I hate the trigger on my M&P40 it's very stiff and hard to tell when its going to break. I know it should surprise me but this is different (not trying to blame my equipment :p)

Knowing you should pull through and doing it are often two different things. It seems like you're still trying to anticipate when the gun will go BANG! and are looking to stage the trigger and then snatch it through the last little bit of travel. That simply doesn't work. You're stacking the deck against your accuracy instead of helping it.

I'm not usually as big a fan of dry firing as some around here. But in this case it will help you a lot. But as someone above posted you have to practice the right stuff otherwise you simply get really good at doing it wrong.

The "right stuff" is learning to smoothly and evenly pull the trigger from start to stop all the way in one smooth motion while holding a good sight picture. No stops to stage just before the break point. And do a full pull right through and hold the trigger back all during the recoil to achieve a good follow through.

Work on some dry firing. Unfortunately with an M&P this involves racking the slide to reset the trigger each time. Another reason why I know you won't do a LOT of dry firing. So make the ones you do count and learn as much as you can.

Concentrate at first on simply building pressure in a continuous manner from beginning to rear travel limit in one smooth build. Notice I didn't tell you to move the trigger. I said to build the pressure. You provide the pressure smoothly and let the trigger move as and when it wants. If that means it sticks then jumps a little so be it. You simply build the pressure and let it move however it wants.

Do NOT try to stage the trigger. That's one of those bad habits that you'll get good at doing if you let yourself. You need to kick that one in the nutz right now before it becomes a habit. It WILL hold you back. The "Right Stuff" is to hold your sight picture and pull the trigger from start to finish right through.

Hand position and finger on the trigger on a hand gun counts for a lot. If you watched and are using the two hand method shown in the Travis Haley video I suggested earlier that's great. If you don't use that then start right now. If you want to use some other method later that's fine. But the method shown in the Haley video is solid and it works. So learn it and use it for now so you're starting with a known good quality method. When you're shooting nice tight groups you can try whatever floats your boat.

When you dry fire watch what the sight picture does when the trigger breaks. To see any motion you'll want to aim at something so you have a reference. Don't just point at a featureless wall.

Speaking of aiming. I'm sure you already know this but be sure it's the front sight that is in focus in your sight picture. Right? A double check doesn't hurt. OK, next.....

So you're watching the sight picture an building pressure on the trigger so the travel will occur over about a half second (for now). Watch the sight picture for a bit of a kick when the trigger does break. Assuming a right handed shooter if the front blade jumps a little to the left consistently then move more of your finger onto the trigger or try to work on a trigger pull that moves more from the middle joint and a little less from the knuckle. If you have the opposite problem and it kicks a little to the right all the time then don't put your finger onto the trigger quite as far or try to move the trigger finger more from the knuckle and less from the middle joint.

What you're aiming for (Good pun eh? :D) is to get the sight picture to where it stays centered when the trigger breaks. The resistance of the trigger causes us to build up some pressure between our trigger finger and the rest of our grip. If the pressure on the trigger is off to one side the rest of our hand and wrist will compensate for that to hold the sight picture. But when the trigger breaks the pressures break the balance of forces that are holding the gun and that compensation pressure kicks the gun to the side before the bullet is out the bore. So the trick is to work on our trigger pull so that the tension is all straight back and in line with the gun. And if you see the sight picture kicking to one side or the other that is the imbalance of the side pressures being released unevenly and moving the gun. When you get it right the sights won't jump. In fact when it's really right you won't see the sight picture move at all. Not even a little jiggle. Be fussy here. Even the small stuff is big. Only perfection is good enough. Work on your trigger pull until you can hear and feel the "CLICK" without the sight picture jumping at all.

If you're holding on really hard it can be just as bad or worse than holding on too lightly. Too firm a hold makes it hard to isolate and move your trigger finger smoothly while the rest of your fingers don't move at all. In effect if you're gripping over hard you end up pulling the trigger with your whole hand. It's Baby Bear's porridge time in that just right is just enough. You want enough grip pressure that the gun doesn't move in your grip from shot to shot. But no more than that. And with the correct grip done well you can use a lot less grip pressure than you think. So work on that nice totally enveloping grip with the gun deep in your hands and work on using a little less pressure to hold it in place.

Arms matter as well. Get the elbows turned out slightly. Don't go nutz but definitely point them out a little and keep them slightly broken. Watch some good IPSC shooters for examples of this.

I'll finish up with a repeat about this all being more than a little "Zen" like. Try to put the BANG out of your mind and focus on your job. Namely sight picture and smooth pause free pressure build. It's much like archery with old style bows where you draw and release all in one smooth motion. Support the gun with a firm hold but don't choke the life from it. The style of the hold is more important than the pressure used. And work on the dry firing with small changes to achieve a good direct trigger motion with no staging and no sight picture kick or jiggle.

If you can achieve these things then putting cartridges into the gun will be almost like an aftermath.
 
Practice dry firing I bet your flinching when you pull the trigger cause the gun to move or drop in aim so keep doing dry fire until you don't flinch anymore that's usually the number one reason people can't hit the target
 
I recommend that you spend some time with a realistic blowback air pistol (many blow back the same as a .22 conversion). The ones I have, are the same as the real steel (I have an M&P 40 and a 1911A1). However, they are alot easier on the pocketbook to buy, maintain and shoot. The added benefit is that you can practice your shots in a realistic setup without going to the range, allowing one to work on their technique with real time feedback on the cheap.
 
Dry fire as much as you can, and then go to the range with someone you really want to outshoot LOL
 
Alright first off, this is very hard to admit. I have fired 10's of thousands of rounds in my military and civilian life. Not trying to blow my own horn, but I am generally a above average shot with a rifle, sometimes surprising myself with results.

Anyhow, I am an absolutely terrible shot with hand guns. I've always passed my PWT in the army with a browning 9mm but just barely. I own a S&W M&P40 now and have about 500 rounds through it and results are less than favorable. I took a buddy to the range whose never shot a handgun in his life and he was nailing the bullseye at 15 yards with only a few flyers, and I'm all over the place.

So what I'm asking is does anyone now of any websites/YouTube videos that show good fundamentals of hand gun shooting? This is a rather embarrassing problem I'd like to solve. I'm just lucky I brought my xcr to the range so I could at least prove somewhat that I know what I'm doing


Ps. I know I need to practice practice practice but I still need a lesson in fundamentals like I received in rifle shooting

I bet you are a trigger jerker- flincher ! :D Relaxe - breath easy hold a light breathe- SQUEEZE that trigger - concentrate more on the trigger squeeze then the sight picture - you will improve ! ;) RJ
 
The old adage "practice makes perfect" is NOT CORRECT!

Its "PERFECT practice makes perfect".

Unless you have some GOOD instruction from a GOOD HANDGUN shooter such as an IPSC Black Badge instructor - when you are practicing - all you're doing is PRACTICING your MISTAKES that cause you to feel frustrated and inept!!

Take solace in knowing that some of the top pistol shooters can't shoot rifle or shotgun worth "Jack Schitt" because they haven't been properly trained in the unique features of the dramatically different techniques of the firearms involved.

In the 20 years spent as an IPSC BB instructor - I found it was easier to teach someone who had NEVER shot a pistol than it was to undo the bad habits of someone that had been pistol shooting for a long time.

With your background and general shooting experience all you need is some good instruction to get you headed in the right direction!!
 
Alright first off, this is very hard to admit. I have fired 10's of thousands of rounds in my military and civilian life. Not trying to blow my own horn, but I am generally a above average shot with a rifle, sometimes surprising myself with results.

Anyhow, I am an absolutely terrible shot with hand guns. I've always passed my PWT in the army with a browning 9mm but just barely. I own a S&W M&P40 now and have about 500 rounds through it and results are less than favorable. I took a buddy to the range whose never shot a handgun in his life and he was nailing the bullseye at 15 yards with only a few flyers, and I'm all over the place.

So what I'm asking is does anyone now of any websites/YouTube videos that show good fundamentals of hand gun shooting? This is a rather embarrassing problem I'd like to solve. I'm just lucky I brought my xcr to the range so I could at least prove somewhat that I know what I'm doing


Ps. I know I need to practice practice practice but I still need a lesson in fundamentals like I received in rifle shooting

If you decide you're frustrated enough and want to shoot a handgun accurately, get yourself a .38/.357 S&W or a Ruger GP100(install lighter spring) revolver and shoot .38 wadcutters out of them. Problem solved, you're hitting the bullseye at 25 yards! :-D
 
If you decide you're frustrated enough and want to shoot a handgun accurately, get yourself a .38/.357 S&W or a Ruger GP100(install lighter spring) revolver and shoot .38 wadcutters out of them. Problem solved, you're hitting the bullseye at 25 yards! :-D

Yup, what pisces says. I shoot a revolver way better than any of my autos.

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