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Thats a bit miss leading , as a heavy magnum can be your 0-100 meter dangerous game choice. Or elk, moose, whatever. Magnum does not, and should not be labeled the OTHT do it all.
I hate magnums becasue:
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If you feel the need for one then go for it, but remember in most hunting clubs for every 1 Magnum hater there are at least 2 Magnum owners that created that Magnum hater as they take every opportunity they can to look down their noses at other peoples non-Mag choices.
For me I don't care what you use...your rifle, and your bank account.
20 rnds of .303 averages $18.00, while 20 rnds .308 Norma mag is $85.00.
Same shot will take the same Deer, but hey whatever floats your boat.
For me I don't care what you use...your rifle, and your bank account.
20 rnds of .303 averages $18.00, while 20 rnds .308 Norma mag is $85.00.
Same shot will take the same Deer, but hey whatever floats your boat.
I don't hate magnums. I do dislike some of the people who own them as well as some of the people who don't.
The are some magnum owners deluded enough to believe the belt and extra velocity will make them better shooters and they can therefore skimp on practice, take longer shots that they might not otherwise or place less attention to bullet placement. The answer to all of their questions is a magnum. Because they believe it they think others should too.
Then there are those non-magnum shooters who are deluded enough to believe their superior shooting talent, ability to estimate range and all round good sportsmanship deems the magnum unnecessary and the hallmark of an irresponsible hunter.
Both groups are full of ####.
Use what works for you. Ignore everyone else.
The are some magnum owners deluded enough to believe the belt and extra velocity will make them better shooters and they can therefore skimp on practice, take longer shots that they might not otherwise or place less attention to bullet placement. The answer to all of their questions is a magnum. Because they believe it they think others should too.
Then there are those non-magnum shooters who are deluded enough to believe their superior shooting talent, ability to estimate range and all round good sportsmanship deems the magnum unnecessary and the hallmark of an irresponsible hunter.
Both groups are full of ####.
Use what works for you. Ignore everyone else.
I own a magnum and really like it. It has its usefulness in particular circumstances, just like a non-magnum or rimfire. I liken it to golf clubs, would you play a long par 4 course with the biggest club in your bag a 7 iron? Most wouldn't. Could you? Absolutely. It has been proven that you can score pretty well with just a 7 iron and a putter on most courses. Because you have better control. Just like you can do pretty well with a .308 or .270 in most hunting situations if you shoot accurately and use well-constructed bullets. Do you have the capability with the smaller club, compared to a driver? No. Do you have better control (accuracy)? Yes. Can you putt with a driver? Yes, just like you can shoot deer at close range with an ultra mag. Is is the best choice? No.
Different hunters have different capabilities and limitations as well as needs (is this a mixed bag hunt, or are you hunting exceptionally large or tough game, or are shots going to be very long?). The best gun is one that best fits the individual's capabilities, limitations and needs.
Magnums are neither good nor bad. They are just tools which may or may not fit the users requirements. If you like em, shoot em. We are pretty lucky to have caliber options which our great-grandfathers never had. Enjoy!
Different hunters have different capabilities and limitations as well as needs (is this a mixed bag hunt, or are you hunting exceptionally large or tough game, or are shots going to be very long?). The best gun is one that best fits the individual's capabilities, limitations and needs.
Magnums are neither good nor bad. They are just tools which may or may not fit the users requirements. If you like em, shoot em. We are pretty lucky to have caliber options which our great-grandfathers never had. Enjoy!
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Mostly a .30 caliber rifle will work fine for North American big game, so let's look at the advantage that a .300 Magnum might have against a .30-06. For the sake of comparison I'll refer to the Hornady flat base spire point 180 gr. bullet.
We will assume both rifles are sighted for 200 yards. The .30-06 has a muzzle velocity of 2800 fps, and our generic .300 magnum has a mv of 3200 fps.
At 200 yards both hit point of aim.
At 300 yards the '06 has a drop of 8" while the .300 has a drop of 6". Chances are a hunter would use the same aiming point with either rifle.
At 400 yards the '06 drops nearly 2', while the .300 drops only a foot and a half.
At 500 yards the '06 is down 4' and the .300 drops 3'.
Beyond 300 yards range estimation, wind, mirage, and ego start to be a problem for the average hunter. For the sophisticated and experienced long range rifleman who has a laser rangefinder and a scope that can be quickly adjusted for long range come-ups and who sets out with the intention of making a long range shot, it is less so.
So at 500 yards our expert rifleman with an '06 must adjust his scope for 10 minutes of elevation, but if he had a .300 magnum he would need to adjust 7 minutes. Does it really matter which cartridge the rifle is chambered for? If we change bullets to the 180 gr. Nosler Ballistic tip, when fired from the .30-06 with a muzzle velocity of 2800 fps this bullet is still supersonic at 1200 yards. We can certainly assume that our .300 magnum might stay supersonic much further, but how far can one expect to shoot with a reasonable expectation of hitting within the kill zone of a big game animal, which we generally accept to be 8"-10"? IMHO this comparison demonstrates that a .300 magnum has little advantage over the .30-06
But what about magnums for power. The .375 H&H is a fine cartridge for hunting big game anywhere in the world, as is the .416 Rigby. As we get into larger and more powerful cartridges, the cartridges become more specialized as we move from hunting rifles to stopping rifles. Once you get into the .577 and 600 Nitro class of cartridges you have reached a power level unnecessary for all but the PH who is responsible for the safety of his client. The client by the way had better hope that the PH armed with one of these guns has invested the time and money to become proficient with it.
We will assume both rifles are sighted for 200 yards. The .30-06 has a muzzle velocity of 2800 fps, and our generic .300 magnum has a mv of 3200 fps.
At 200 yards both hit point of aim.
At 300 yards the '06 has a drop of 8" while the .300 has a drop of 6". Chances are a hunter would use the same aiming point with either rifle.
At 400 yards the '06 drops nearly 2', while the .300 drops only a foot and a half.
At 500 yards the '06 is down 4' and the .300 drops 3'.
Beyond 300 yards range estimation, wind, mirage, and ego start to be a problem for the average hunter. For the sophisticated and experienced long range rifleman who has a laser rangefinder and a scope that can be quickly adjusted for long range come-ups and who sets out with the intention of making a long range shot, it is less so.
So at 500 yards our expert rifleman with an '06 must adjust his scope for 10 minutes of elevation, but if he had a .300 magnum he would need to adjust 7 minutes. Does it really matter which cartridge the rifle is chambered for? If we change bullets to the 180 gr. Nosler Ballistic tip, when fired from the .30-06 with a muzzle velocity of 2800 fps this bullet is still supersonic at 1200 yards. We can certainly assume that our .300 magnum might stay supersonic much further, but how far can one expect to shoot with a reasonable expectation of hitting within the kill zone of a big game animal, which we generally accept to be 8"-10"? IMHO this comparison demonstrates that a .300 magnum has little advantage over the .30-06
But what about magnums for power. The .375 H&H is a fine cartridge for hunting big game anywhere in the world, as is the .416 Rigby. As we get into larger and more powerful cartridges, the cartridges become more specialized as we move from hunting rifles to stopping rifles. Once you get into the .577 and 600 Nitro class of cartridges you have reached a power level unnecessary for all but the PH who is responsible for the safety of his client. The client by the way had better hope that the PH armed with one of these guns has invested the time and money to become proficient with it.
Some thoughts as my Morning coffee soaks in...
Consider the zillions of hunted critters before the 'Magnum' became invented, and marketed.
So is this is a reflection on modern hunting Styles vs old ones?
Has there been a change?
And if so what has changed?
Esp' when one considers that there are many old timers still around that head out into the bush with only 30/30s, and they have no problem filling their tags, and freezers.
How do they manage without a Magnum caliber?
Consider the zillions of hunted critters before the 'Magnum' became invented, and marketed.
So is this is a reflection on modern hunting Styles vs old ones?
Has there been a change?
And if so what has changed?
Esp' when one considers that there are many old timers still around that head out into the bush with only 30/30s, and they have no problem filling their tags, and freezers.
How do they manage without a Magnum caliber?
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Magnum is just a catchy word, it means nothin.
eg. 350 rem mag
Whoopy do I have a MAGNUM it is sooo powerfull because it is a MAGNUM next i am going to get a 22 MAGNUM, man, I am going to blow everything way with my MAGNUM the only thing better is a ULTRAMAGNUM whooooee it is so great because it is UTLRA more powerfull than my MAGNUM I own a Dodge Dakota with a 318 MAGNUM engine wow it is the best.
eg. 350 rem mag
Whoopy do I have a MAGNUM it is sooo powerfull because it is a MAGNUM next i am going to get a 22 MAGNUM, man, I am going to blow everything way with my MAGNUM the only thing better is a ULTRAMAGNUM whooooee it is so great because it is UTLRA more powerfull than my MAGNUM I own a Dodge Dakota with a 318 MAGNUM engine wow it is the best.
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375 Holland & Holland Magnum
I chose the .375 H&H Magnum as one of the top dozen of the 20th century simply because few other cartridges do so many things so well. It is just powerful enough to handle game too nasty for smaller cartridges, yet it is not ridiculously overpowered for nondangerous North American game such as elk and moose. I also chose it because the level of recoil it generates represents about the upper limit most hunters can tolerate. Even though the .375 H&H Magnum was introduced by Holland & Holland in 1925, most American hunters ignored it due to the high cost of imported rifles chambered for it. But that changed for the better in 1937 when Winchester added the chambering to its list of options for the Model 70 rifle. When loaded with good bullets and fired in an accurate rifle, this old English cartridge is capable of remarkable accuracy. Itç—´ good too; I would not hesitate to hunt any big-game animal presently walking the face of the earth with the .375 H&H Magnum.
My trip to the range yesterday made me like this round all the more. It is super accurate..
I chose the .375 H&H Magnum as one of the top dozen of the 20th century simply because few other cartridges do so many things so well. It is just powerful enough to handle game too nasty for smaller cartridges, yet it is not ridiculously overpowered for nondangerous North American game such as elk and moose. I also chose it because the level of recoil it generates represents about the upper limit most hunters can tolerate. Even though the .375 H&H Magnum was introduced by Holland & Holland in 1925, most American hunters ignored it due to the high cost of imported rifles chambered for it. But that changed for the better in 1937 when Winchester added the chambering to its list of options for the Model 70 rifle. When loaded with good bullets and fired in an accurate rifle, this old English cartridge is capable of remarkable accuracy. Itç—´ good too; I would not hesitate to hunt any big-game animal presently walking the face of the earth with the .375 H&H Magnum.
My trip to the range yesterday made me like this round all the more. It is super accurate..
True enough. I don't think you can say ALL magnum cartridges are bad but some are.Gatehouse said:Seems alot of the posts are really about people, and peoples perception of people- and very few reasons why the actual "magnum" cartridges are somehow "bad"
Entertaining thread, anyway!
Bad magnums:
.378 Weatherby because of the recoil.
.416 Remington Magnum. Rigby's version wins out.
Any Remington SAUM. The wheel reinvented and not as good as the Winchester Short Mags.
Any magnum below .24 caliber. Just how dead does a groundhog have to be? The .220 Swift still rules that roost.
Good magnums:
7mm Remington because it doesn't kick that much and reaches out further than a .30-06.
.375 H&H Magnum because it's classic and doesn't kick as hard as the Wby.
.338 Magnum because it bridges the gap between the .300 and .375 and there aren't many non-magnum factory options in .33 caliber.
.270WSM mostly because BIGREDD says so.
I only hate the WSSMs.
Is it a Super Magnum or a Short Magnum???? Neither, its a Super Short Magnum...
They just look stupid. Why not just press a .30 caliber bullet into the top of a 1lb propane cylinder. Looks about the same.
Is it a Super Magnum or a Short Magnum???? Neither, its a Super Short Magnum...
They just look stupid. Why not just press a .30 caliber bullet into the top of a 1lb propane cylinder. Looks about the same.
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I agree, the 7 mil Mauser gotta be the coolest looking cartridge out there.
Great idea! How many grains of powder can you get in one of those tanks? Will they fit in a standard size reloading press?gth said:
Finding a receiver wide enough might be tough but you could start with a single shot or double for load development.
You may be on to something. We could call it the .300GTH.
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Claybuster said:You may be on to something. We could call it the .300GTH.
or a .30 Coleman
Levi,
The .375 H&H was around long before 1925, I am pretty sure it started the mangum trend back in 1912.
Roy's .300Wby came along in 1946 as I recall. It's surprising how long some of these rounds have been with us and they are still doing their jobs well. What else invented in 1912 is still in production and considered high performance?
The .375 H&H was around long before 1925, I am pretty sure it started the mangum trend back in 1912.
Roy's .300Wby came along in 1946 as I recall. It's surprising how long some of these rounds have been with us and they are still doing their jobs well. What else invented in 1912 is still in production and considered high performance?
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1912 does ring a bell for sure. I stand corrected Sir I still like it
I still like it 
x2 I am not a little guy but I ain't big either and my '06 loaded hot is about as much recoil as I like
As for some Magnum owners looking down their noses, I was talking to a guy at the range a while back, so I asked what he was taking for Elk.
7mm Mag he said, oh that should do the job was my comment. Then mister "I am the greatest hunter in the world" asked what I was gonna use And I said the 7x57 oh that's way too small you'll never put one down.
I explained to him that both our guns use a 7mm bullet mine 150gr and his 160 some, not that much different. And sir how many animals get killed cleanly with a muzzleloadder every year? Well that bullet is much slower than most hunting cal. today. Velocity does not kill animals more dead or more reliable that's BS. As for accuracy sure Magnums are way better at that.
How many shots past 350yards have you taken? myself 1 and that as a 30/06 with a 180gr bullet. I got the deer.
If you take animals at very long range is that still hunting? You are in a different county and the deer in another he has absolutely no chance. Nothing against Magnums but have something agains the way they are used by some people and (Then they brag about what good hunters they are)
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