I hate trespassers....

Not to downplay this BUT...trespassing is NOT poaching IMO. Its like saying bringing your handguns to the range with an ATT is trafficing weapons...

He is a legal hunter but is taking someone elses spot, which is not right. Lets be honest here...people are more pissed about trespassing if it makes them worry about someone else getting "their" deer.
 
I meant friends with the land owner. If it was my place and I said I'm not getting involved, I don't think I'd appreciate someone who I gave permission to calling the cops for trespassers.
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It would be for theft or vandalism, not for trespassing. If I have my personal property being stored on someone else's land, and my property was stolen or vandalized, the landowner would not have to be involved, other than confirming that I had permission to be on his land, if it went to court.

He is a legal hunter but is taking someone elses spot, which is not right.
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The land is posted, therefore he is breaking the law while he is hunting, that means that he is not a legal hunter.
 
stubblejumper said:
It would be for theft or vandalism, not for trespassing. If I have my personal property being stored on someone else's land, and my property was stolen or vandalized, the landowner would not have to be involved, other than confirming that I had permission to be on his land, if it went to court.



The land is posted, therefore he is breaking the law while he is hunting, that means that he is not a legal hunter.
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No...he IS a legal hunting...end of story. Tresspassing is a crime but it does not make his valid tags/lisence invalid.

If you speed in your car to the range are you no longer a legal gun owner?
 
h ttp://dictionary.reference.com/browse/poacher

poach·er
1    /ˈpoʊtʃər/ Show Spelled[poh-cher] Show IPA
noun
1.
a person who trespasses on private property, especially to catch fish or game illegally.
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h ttp://www.yourdictionary.com/poach

to trespass on (private property), esp. for hunting or fishing
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h ttp://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/poacher

1poach·er
noun \ˈpō-chər\
Definition of POACHER
1
: one that trespasses or steals
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Until the Angels Fall said:
No...he IS a legal hunting...end of story. Tresspassing is a crime but it does not make his valid tags/lisence invalid.

If you speed in your car to the range are you no longer a legal gun owner?
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No he is not a legal hunter.

From the Ont wildlife act

Trespassing

10. (1) A person shall not,

(a) enter premises in contravention of the Trespass to Property Act for the purpose of hunting or fishing;

(b) enter premises in contravention of the Trespass to Property Act in possession of a firearm, fishing rod or other hunting or fishing device;

(c) engage in hunting or fishing in contravention of the Trespass to Property Act;

(d) fail to leave premises in contravention of the Trespass to Property Act, if the person was on the premises for the purpose of hunting or fishing; or

(e) fail to leave premises in contravention of the Trespass to Property Act, if the person was on the premises in possession of a firearm, fishing rod or other hunting or fishing device.
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Offence

97. (1) A person who contravenes any provision of this Act or the regulations is guilty of an offence.
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http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_97f41_e.htm

Shawn
 
Until the Angels Fall said:
Not to downplay this BUT...trespassing is NOT poaching IMO. Its like saying bringing your handguns to the range with an ATT is trafficing weapons...

He is a legal hunter but is taking someone elses spot, which is not right. Lets be honest here...people are more pissed about trespassing if it makes them worry about someone else getting "their" deer.
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If I'm reading this right, and it's entirely possible I'm not, he doesn't have permission to be on the property, which means he's not a legal hunter. That's part one.

Part two is the assumption that he's a licenced, educated hunter- if we (collectively) don't know this person, how do we know that?

Unless it's you. YOU'RE THE POACHER!!! ;):D

solved the case guys... we can end the thread now. :)
 
stubblejumper said:
It would be for theft or vandalism, not for trespassing. If I have my personal property being stored on someone else's land, and my property was stolen or vandalized, the landowner would not have to be involved, other than confirming that I had permission to be on his land, if it went to court.



The land is posted, therefore he is breaking the law while he is hunting, that means that he is not a legal hunter.
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If the land owner doesn't want to be bothered with this, and you drag him into it one way or another he may just decide it's a hassle to have that OP hunting there and say "sorry, you can't hunt here any more". If I remember, nothing has been stolen or damaged, just used or sat in. How does the farmer feel about this guy being on his property?

I like the idea of leaving a note. Maybe mention that if he sits in it again there better be a case of beer waiting for you.
 
fuse said:
If the land owner doesn't want to be bothered with this, and you drag him into it one way or another he may just decide it's a hassle to have that OP hunting there and say "sorry, you can't hunt here any more". If I remember, nothing has been stolen or damaged, just used or sat in. How does the farmer feel about this guy being on his property?

I like the idea of leaving a note. Maybe mention that if he sits in it again there better be a case of beer waiting for you.
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While I see your point, if this is the guy I think it is, he's been warned to stay off, and has entered onto fenced land posted for no trespassing. Anyone who does that it a useless POS in my opinion. This isn't crown land or a public area it's posted private land.
 
Until the Angels Fall said:
Lets be honest here...people are more pissed about trespassing if it makes them worry about someone else getting "their" deer.
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You're right. When I spend my hard earned time and money to ensure I have good land to hunt, share my venison with landowners, put time in scouting and even clear out an overgrown lane on the property then some a-hole sneaks around and illegally enters the property and ruins all that work and my chances to shoot deer there I do get a little upset....
 
tactical870 said:
You're right. When I spend my hard earned time and money to ensure I have good land to hunt, share my venison with landowners, put time in scouting and even clear out an overgrown lane on the property then some a-hole sneaks around and illegally enters the property and ruins all that work and my chances to shoot deer there I do get a little upset....
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+1. It's pretty disheartening to for someone to walk in and enjoy the fruits of your labour, especially when they aren't welcome anyway.
 
Until the Angels Fall said:
No...he IS a legal hunting...end of story. Tresspassing is a crime but it does not make his valid tags/lisence invalid.

If you speed in your car to the range are you no longer a legal gun owner?
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Wrong. Hunting on private property without permission is illegal......hence he is hunting in an illegal manner. This is under the various provinces Wildlife Act, not the criminal code.

I don't understand your "speeding" analogy. If you get caught speeding, you're in contravention of the Highway Traffic Act, not the Firearms Act. Same thing applies to trespassing while hunting. :confused:
 
bearkilr said:
Wrong. Hunting on private property without permission is illegal......hence he is hunting in an illegal manner. This is under the various provinces Wildlife Act, not the criminal code.

I don't understand your "speeding" analogy. If you get caught speeding, you're in contravention of the Highway Traffic Act, not the Firearms Act. Same thing applies to trespassing while hunting. :confused:
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Yes... we al lknow he is trespassing... but the landowner refuses to charge him.... thus we are trying to give the OP ideas on how he could chareg him himself without needing the landowner....
 
Superbrad said:
Yes... we al lknow he is trespassing... but the landowner refuses to charge him.... thus we are trying to give the OP ideas on how he could chareg him himself without needing the landowner....
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If the landowner did not give him permission, a Game Warden can charge him without the owners giving consent to charges. At least this is the way it works in MB.
He needs to get DNR to question the landowner who he has given permission to, anyone not given permission is trespassing.
 
Actually here in 74A, he needs written permission to be hunting there. He could be charged by MNR on that alone. The local CO hunts the property next door so I'll talk to him about it.
 
If the landowner told you not to do anything with trespassers, and you still want to hunt the property, make damn sure he doesnt find out you ran to the CO.
There are reasons rural folks stick together, especially if he is a farmer.
 
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