I like my norc .45
- Thread starter Bobby Ironsights
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Get your flamesuit on, the Anti-Norcs are coming!
I like my Norinco NP-29 too.
I'm not anti norc per-sey, but I had a couple of friends buy new ones. They were terrible shooters right off the bat. One told me that it couldn't shoot worth a damn, so it bought a bunch of upgrades to get it to shoot right like new barrel and new sights. Still no love. He sold it on the EE and some poor sucker bought it. I can think of thee similar cases from other friends off the top of my head. Worse yet is to look into the EE and you'll see tons of people selling Norinco 1911. I don't see as many SIGs, S&Ws, Berretas, Colts being sold.
Now I can clearly read that there are many who do love their Norinco 1911s. Would it be safe to say that QC is their problem. It seems like anyone who buys one gets a 50/50 chance of getting a shooter. Buying one on the EE probably drops that to 75/25 at best, as I suspect most are trying to unload lemons.
I bought a used 1911 Norinco and two new ones. The used one has a recoil buffer and a trigger job. All else is stock and it is very accurate. In fact, I am going to put adjustable target sights on it for target shootng.
A friend shot one of the new ones and concluded it shoots better than his S & W 52. And we have yet to do any load development.
I don't doubt that some are better than others. That is to be expected on production guns that are sold without any accuracy guarantee.
I have 30+ years of pistol shooting experience (all bullseye type shooting). I know that it takes time, practice and coaching to be able to shoot well. If newbies and blasters are buying these pistols, their comments about accuracy have to be taken with a grain of salt.
I have just about finished a load delvelopment project for my 38 revolver and about to start a project for the 1911. I tested 3 bullets and two powders. At 20 yards each bullet and powder combimation had loads that got 3"+ groups and 2" groups or a bit better.
If a shooter did not handload (and develop a load) he woud have to try different brands of ammo to see what the gun liked - assuming he shot well enough to see the difference.
I wish I had access to a Ransom rest, so some meaningful comparisons could be posted.
Here are two targets from my load development project for my 38 revolver (a 357 Smith). Same bullet. Same powder. 3.2 g vs. 4 gr. Might a shooter only shooting the poor load conclude the gun is no good?
A friend shot one of the new ones and concluded it shoots better than his S & W 52. And we have yet to do any load development.
I don't doubt that some are better than others. That is to be expected on production guns that are sold without any accuracy guarantee.
I have 30+ years of pistol shooting experience (all bullseye type shooting). I know that it takes time, practice and coaching to be able to shoot well. If newbies and blasters are buying these pistols, their comments about accuracy have to be taken with a grain of salt.
I have just about finished a load delvelopment project for my 38 revolver and about to start a project for the 1911. I tested 3 bullets and two powders. At 20 yards each bullet and powder combimation had loads that got 3"+ groups and 2" groups or a bit better.
If a shooter did not handload (and develop a load) he woud have to try different brands of ammo to see what the gun liked - assuming he shot well enough to see the difference.
I wish I had access to a Ransom rest, so some meaningful comparisons could be posted.
Here are two targets from my load development project for my 38 revolver (a 357 Smith). Same bullet. Same powder. 3.2 g vs. 4 gr. Might a shooter only shooting the poor load conclude the gun is no good?
A pistol shooter has to focus on his sights. I am 65 and that is becoming a real challenge. I picked up new shooting glasses today with a regular bifocol in one eye and my shooting eye lens allows me to see the sights clearly. I can center sharp sights on a fuzzy target.
I hope to take the Black Badge course and try somthing new. I will soon be a newbie.... again.
I hope to take the Black Badge course and try somthing new. I will soon be a newbie.... again.
well as far as operation goes, i did my homework first !
the pistol bought new (previous owner) and only had 200 rounds put through it
so before even firing it (this is the homework & research part) i completely stripped it down, and soaked it with degreaser and cleaned it . a lot of metal residue came out . did it again and some more came out but not much.
let it completely dry and soaked it down with CLP havent had a problem with the 7.62 ammo yet
as far as accuracy goes at 20 meters i can put all 8 in a figure 11 target
any farther than that and you are using the wrong tool for the job
the pistol bought new (previous owner) and only had 200 rounds put through it
so before even firing it (this is the homework & research part) i completely stripped it down, and soaked it with degreaser and cleaned it . a lot of metal residue came out . did it again and some more came out but not much.
let it completely dry and soaked it down with CLP havent had a problem with the 7.62 ammo yet
as far as accuracy goes at 20 meters i can put all 8 in a figure 11 target
any farther than that and you are using the wrong tool for the job
as promised..... pics (I picked it up from the post office about 2 hours ago)
the first two pics were taken with a flash, and for some reason that makes it look gold tone, its not.
Being its the first 1911A1 I own, I can only compare it to my Grand Power K100 and S&WMP9..... Pulling back the slide feels a little rough, although it got better after I stripped it, totally cleaned it, and re-oiled it.... still rougher than my other pistols though. Also the field stripping of it is a pain in the A$$. Taking it apart took about 10 seconds, and putting it back together took me 40 minutes the first time, and 10 minutes the second and third time. (I would have tried more, but my finger tips were raw from holding in the plug while twisting the lock back into place on the end of the barrel)
Also, maybe someone can tell me if its normal, or if its just this norc, but in order for me to pull the slide back, I have to #### the hammer (with it unloaded of course) there are other things I find odd too, but I'll see if they are solved when its loaded with ammo (e.g. I thought 1911s were double action, but pulling the trigger doesnt #### the hammer for me)
the first two pics were taken with a flash, and for some reason that makes it look gold tone, its not.
Being its the first 1911A1 I own, I can only compare it to my Grand Power K100 and S&WMP9..... Pulling back the slide feels a little rough, although it got better after I stripped it, totally cleaned it, and re-oiled it.... still rougher than my other pistols though. Also the field stripping of it is a pain in the A$$. Taking it apart took about 10 seconds, and putting it back together took me 40 minutes the first time, and 10 minutes the second and third time. (I would have tried more, but my finger tips were raw from holding in the plug while twisting the lock back into place on the end of the barrel)
Also, maybe someone can tell me if its normal, or if its just this norc, but in order for me to pull the slide back, I have to #### the hammer (with it unloaded of course) there are other things I find odd too, but I'll see if they are solved when its loaded with ammo (e.g. I thought 1911s were double action, but pulling the trigger doesnt #### the hammer for me)
hi, it looks very nice!
You said it took you 10 minutes to put it back, I doubt you put it together properly, it shouldn't take you so long. Please double check before firing it.
1911's are single action.
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Sounds like the first time I took apart a 1911. It was my first gun.
You can pull the slide back with the hammer down, but it's a helluva lot heavier than any striker fired 9mm. Like the field stripping, you'll adjust to the 1911 (because it won't adapt to you
) Generally it takes a trip or two to the range to develope a deeper appreciation. Every trip after the first couple turns it from appreciation to addiction.
Just picked up my two tone sport model from the post office - what a great value for the money! They even throw in enough oil for you to lube everything in a decent sized gun safe!! I'm planning to use this one (my very first .45!) when teaching the CRFSC. I'll likely have to put in weaker springs or some of the students will never cycle the slide. I'll dry fire it a bit and measure the trigger pull - it's quite heavy out of the box.
