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I am looking for ANY and ALL copies of :

a) Firearms Inspection Reports (Short or Long form) for ANY firearms, but with a key focus on FRT's that have been changed.

b) Original FRT printouts or screenshots, again for ANY firearms, but with a priority towards FRT's that have been changed.

Email them to info@albertatacticalrifle.com

I'm looking for literally any and all, a pile of documents, not specifically limited to any type of firearm, but looking for printed copies that you may have on hand, hanging around, that pre-date April/May of 2020.
I'm digging for the changes that may have been made between old documents and new. I want to compile an exact listing of what was changed, on which models.

We've got a couple of gems so far, but I want to see if this is a treasure trove.
 
soheipp said:
Contact armalytics? I believe they have a saved copy of the frt just before it was edited.
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We can, but what I'm really digging for, is the more elaborate FRT entires, not just the small 'snapshots' that appear on armalytics. The gold mines, for what I'm looking for, are the inspection reports.
 
There's also 2 types of inspection reports, for example, the modern hunter has a 3 page 'client copy' inspection report, but it also has a 6 page inspection report, which I believe is an internal copy for the SFSS. I'm trying to get as many of the long reports as I can.
 
In Murray Smith's cross examination "he believes" they are subject to access to info requests, so if you're willing to spend time to have them completely ignore you, you could make a request for $5.

You can escalate it to the Atip commissioner if they give you ridiculous delays.


I wish you luck in your fact finding/discovery.

Reading through his transcripts makes my blood boil. It's evident he just doesn't care about firearms. He's got his mantra and his made up non-recorded subjective definition of variant that he twists.

Get him
 
FWIW There was a guy on here that submitted a semi-auto MG-42 based on the BRP system and got a non-restricted FRT for it. His username was Michael J (https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/310846-Hey-from-BC) However I cannot find any record of that FRT any more, and unfortunately the CGN'r passed away, so there is no way of getting any more information from him, obviously. Hopefully there will be some long-time CGN members that recall more details. But if there was a way to track down that FRT entry or inspection report, and then compare it to the semi-auto MG-3 I built, then it would not look good for the RCMP SFSS in court since Bill Etter inspected Michael J's semi-auto MG-42 and classified it as non-restricted, and the same guy, Bill Etter, inspected my semi-auto MG-3 and classified it as prohibited (even though it is the exact same system).
 
If I don't reply to your individual email, I am sorry, but I assure you I am grateful for all of the entries that are coming in! If anybody has the Inspection Reports though, I would really like to see some. They seem far harder to find.
 
Maccabee Defense's SLR had an interesting note, pre-FRT ban, that noted "this firearm design is derived from an amalgamation of several different firearm designs and does not trace its design lineage directly or uniquely to a "prohibited" or a "restricted" firearm found in the Regulations appended to the Criminal Code." (emphasis added) as of 2020/02/19. I'll email 'em even if it's likely known.
 
Brainstorming:

Irunguns had tried to get an rpk, you might find a couple failed/prohib entries from them.

Dlask with their 10/22?

Canadaammo with da-50?

Perhaps looking into ######## saga?

The cz858/swiss arms fiasco, might find some files with the Calgary stores.

Wolverine/kodiak for wk platform?

Type 81 not being an Ak might be interesting

Ps: Yukon provincial Ar10's are accurate, light, fast and great for bear defense according their government
 
A good target would be the MKA 1919, which was an AR10 variant originally, then not, then sometime after May 1 they decided it (and the rest of the similar pattern Turkish box fed semis) were again AR10 variants.
 
I got a good idea. Contact the distributors of the Turkish shotguns. Particularly the ones that sold the typhoon f12 and the derya. They should have those reports on file. That would be a gold mine as they show non ar10/15 design just visual similarity. Then after may 1 they magically became ar15 variants. Contact sights and arms gun shop in st albert, alberta. They work with one of thr distributors. The distributor is conveniently located 15mins away from them.
 
soheipp said:
I got a good idea. Contact the distributors of the Turkish shotguns. Particularly the ones that sold the typhoon f12 and the derya. They should have those reports on file. That would be a gold mine as they show non ar10/15 design just visual similarity. Then after may 1 they magically became ar15 variants. Contact sights and arms gun shop in st albert, alberta. They work with one of thr distributors. The distributor is conveniently located 15mins away from them.
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Also Uzkon BR99 "Barak"


FRT 164286 of Uzkon BR99 non-restricted as of 2020-05-06 (pdf's sent), became prohib post-OIC by RCMP mendling with the FRT ..

Model - "BR 99" is marked on the firearm.
- "BR 99" for record keeping in the U.S.A. is associated with the upper assembly; in Canada the lower assembly is considered the receiver/frame.
- "BR 99" shotguns resemble the Colt AR-15/M16 design.
- features include: free floating round barrel having a removable choke tube; synthetic handguard with full length rail; aluminum alloy, accessory rail, flat top upper
assembly; may have a detachable carrying handle with adjustable rear sight, folding sights or optical sight; right hand cocking handle and ejector port; gas piston and
return spring located/mounted on the support tube located below the barrel; synthetic lower receiver with an camouflage, nickel or red finish on the upper receiver, and black or camouflage finishes on the furniture.

Canadian Law Comments -
in the case of this firearm, it has been determined that the component; commonly referred to as the the lower assembly is considered the receiver/frame for all purposes of the Criminal Code and The Firearms Act.
- while the exterior of this model resembles the AR "family", there is no direct lineage that is exclusive to the AR15/M-16 design. This model design could also easily be
linked to the Armalite Division of Fairchild Aircraft AR-10 design.

IMHO, the design of all and any of firearms could be easily linked to each other as they are all barreled devices for ejecting projectiles.
Doesn't make them all variants of each other, unless one will define a variant as being in resemblance. Then everything is a variant of anything.
 
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Some misinformation in this thread. Quick history brief: Years ago there were a few firearms to be considered AR-15 variants (MKA 1919 etc.) Then it was argued that they were infact AR10 variants and therefor not prohibited. These include the MKA 1919, the NEA/BCL 102, MDI SLR, the Derya. Flash forward to May 2020 and the AR10 was made prohibited by name. All of those previous rifles that were argued to be AR-10 variants, have now become prohibited. The RCMP SFSS under the direction of Murray Smith is now arguing that the Modern Hunter, Modern Varminter and Modern Sporter are all variants of the AR-10 and therefore now prohibited.
 
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