i want to get into precision shooting and dont know what to get...

For starting out:
That Savage in the EE is hard to beat.
Savage Model 12FVSS .223 cal - Stainless Steel Heavy Barrel Fluted, non accu trigger, with Nikon Buckmaster 4.5-14 Mildot scope, both in excellent shape with Butler Creek Flip Up covers, and Harris Bipod 6-9inch . Glass is free or marks or scratches. I believe it is 5 years old. It was bought new and has approx 500 rounds through it. If you want the exact round count, I can get it.

Stock has been painted with granite textured spray paint and triple layer clear coat. Trigger has been adjusted to 3 lbs.
Payment by Postal Money Order, shipping included for $750
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Another option is the CZ527 Kevlar in .223. $975 dollars including taxes and shipping. Add a Falcon Scope 4-14x 44mm for $385. After taxes with the scope and rings you'll be just under the wire for your $1500 set up. The only problem is you'd have to wait and order both. Probably wouldn't get them until June or August.

But... that second hand Savage for starting out, with the scope included would be a great buy. Especially if you're short on funds. This would allow you to spend more on ammo, a range membership etc. :D.
 
Depends on the bullet. The savage will launch the 75gr Amax which is 1 mile capable.

The 12 twist will likely not stabilize even the 69gr so LR ballistics will stink.

55gr bullets would likely be a tough drive after 500yds.

But then I saw a 22/250AI put some Nosler 55gr to 1000yds so....

YMMV
Jerry
 
A big question on what is best for you is what range you expect to be shooting at. A smaller calibre is excellent out to 500 meters or so, but might not be good enough at 1000 meters.

Check your provincial rifle assocation as well. Some of them have "Introductory Days" where non-members are welcome. That is an excellent chance to meet some very experience and knowledgeable people.

APG
 
as barks said the mark4 4 8.5-25x50 will cost more than your budget and on that note leupold canada doesn't typically stock them, i ordered my mark4 6.5-20x50 around 2.5 months ago for about 1850 (including base and rings) and its still not here :slap:
 
Listen to jerry mystic player. He pushes a 223 farther than anybody on this board. I have a custom 308 but 223 is cheaper to feed. With match grade everything it cost about a dollar a shot to feed. 223 can match the ballistics of 308 for cheaper.
 
I stand corrected

powder 20.63 cents 47 grains varget
Primer 5.6 Federal Centerfire Primers - # 210M Large Rifle Match
bullets 55.6 sierra palma match 155 grain with tax and shipping

decent 308 81.83 cents per cartridge.

223

Powder

25 grains varget 11 cents
primer 5.6
bullets 37 cents

decent 223 53.6 cents each

You could use bulk bullets and surplus powder. I actually cast bullets for my 308. Groups open up to 1 MOA and the ballistic coeffiecint much lower. Decent for plinking.
 
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Obtunded said:
... but poor Jerry has been picked-on so badly by the big bad bench-resters lately that I have to stick up for Savage out of solidarity.:D In all honesty, they are doing things smart though...
I just might buy a Savage myself.
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They didn't lay a glove on him Obtunded! Still it isn't pleasant to be treated the way he was:sniper: It takes some people awhile to get used to different thoughts don't it:runaway: The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Agree with you about Savage, but I don't think they're going to cure cancer either. It looks like one might have to do a bit more than buy a Savage action to do the br word.

Still, sometimes I feel that it would be best for some people to machine a mechanism out of the best possible components set it on the least moveable base possible and fire a laser using a high speed computer. You could make the feedback from where the laser hits, as well as the feedback from environmentally sensitive sensors monitoring all possible environmental conditions, automatic and the analysis automatic too. Adjustments based on feedback could be automatic too. Hey the guy who has the best computer would win and it would still be interesting, but maybe no longer shooting. H*ll the more I think about it the more I realize we could watch the results on TV and never to the range. I started feeling this way when I read about infra red movement detectors being used to hunt whitetails and about br (genuflection here) types trying to move their fingers off the trigger and not touch their rifles(?) and about machines playing chess (and winning). Probably all the stuff above has been done...right...solidarity forever...:)
 
My 1 mile load costs me:

Varget 8.5cents (bulk from Higginson)
Primer 3.5 cents (CCI 450)
Bullet 75 or 80gr Amax is around 23cents in bulk 600bullet packs.

Total - 35 cents if you don't count the cost of your brass. Roughly 1 cent per bang, if you use Win once fired like me and get 10+ firings which should be no problem. 2 cents if you buy new.

The cost of my 223 ammo is about the same cost as a 308 match bullet alone. That is a significant cost savings with really no loss in ballistics.

Jerry
 
Cool video. The banjo makes me nervous though. But very interesting stuff on the long range shooting game. How can anyone compare the technique bench rest. Its more like ranging artillery.
 
mysticplayer said:
My 1 mile load costs me:

Varget 8.5cents (bulk from Higginson)
Primer 3.5 cents (CCI 450)
Bullet 75 or 80gr Amax is around 23cents in bulk 600bullet packs.

Total - 35 cents if you don't count the cost of your brass. Roughly 1 cent per bang, if you use Win once fired like me and get 10+ firings which should be no problem. 2 cents if you buy new.

The cost of my 223 ammo is about the same cost as a 308 match bullet alone. That is a significant cost savings with really no loss in ballistics.

Jerry
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There finally someone agrees that 223 is cheaper than 308. I live in the boonies and its mailorder everything so shipping costs are a Pain.
 
throback said:
Cool video. The banjo makes me nervous though. But very interesting stuff on the long range shooting game. How can anyone compare the technique bench rest. Its more like ranging artillery.
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Jesus H. Christ! 70's #### music would have been a better selection than the hill billy old time jamboree....;)
 
At least you got to see the hits at 1 mile. So much for a 223 not making the trip and not being accurate. Pity I was only using a Stevens with a Choate Varminter stock. A BR action and proper McMillan/Rifle Six?/etc. might have put them all in the same hole.... :)

By the way, Savages are discussed very favorably on the BRcentral site. Lots of interest with lots of very happy users. I would recommend Savage enthusiasts to go visit that and many other boards to see how well these rifles are doing for shooters.

Jerry
 
getting into precision shooting

If you're serious about precision shooting your 1500$ budget is agressive.
Of course it all depends on how precise you want to be. My vote would go to a 700 P or a 700 VSF but they run quite dear around here at 1100$ (wholesale sports / russel's) so it wouldn't leave you much for the scope. A Leupold would be my minimum so a fixed 12X M8 is probably the cheapest you'll need. Then Burris Signature Zee rings with pos align inserts and/or .020 shim under the rear base is the cheapest way to get the 20MOA set-up.
You can look for a 700P or 700VSF used if you want but I would go for new if you want to be sure about barrel life. as for the cal. it's true a 223 can make it to 1000 yds but the holes are not big enough for me. Talk to markers looking for your hits in the white around the edges at 1000 yds. I would go for 308.
Buying used glass is a bit of a risk as you don't know how the seller treated it. so with the set-up I suggest you should get 1 MOA accuracy but that's not enough for me. the next step would be to rechamber match which will cost you 200$ and 1/2 inch on your barrel length. If that don't work get a match barrel (krieger, broughton or other) for 300$ + 200$ install. The 700 is a great platform. I have a 700 VS and a VSF (both LH) and 6 barrels that I switch from. The 260 Rem is a Broughton 30 inch nail driver and performs extremely well at 1000 yds. You can get a 29 inch blank Krieger in stock for 270$ + 20 shp at Bruno Shooter's supply. This will all surpass your 1500$ mark but you don't have to do it all at once. as we say in french "p'tit train va loin"
 
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