I will start bringing surplus ammo across border!!!

[JesseJamesB]

Purchasing ammunition from a Federal
Firearms Licensee (FFL) or a nonlicensee
to possess in the United States
❖ A nonimmigrant alien generally MAY NOT purchase
ammunition from an FFL or a nonlicensee
to possess in the United States. If you violate this
prohibition, you could receive a maximum of 10
years of imprisonment.
THIS PROHIBITION APPLIES UNLESS YOU ESTABLISH
THAT YOU:
❖ Are an official representative of a foreign
Government who is accredited to the United
States Government or your Government’s mission
to an international organization having
its headquarters in the United States and will
possess the ammunition in your offi cial capacity;
OR
❖ Are an official of a foreign Government or a
distinguished foreign visitor who has been so
designated by the Department of State and
will possess the ammunition in your offi cial
capacity (if you have an offi cial capacity); OR
❖ Are a foreign law enforcement officer of
a friendly foreign Government entering the
United States on offi cial law enforcement business;
OR


❖ Were admitted to the United States for lawful
hunting or sporting purposes or are in possession
of a valid hunting license or permit lawfully
issued in the United States.


If you meet these criteria, you are eligible to purchase
ammunition to possess in the United States. However,
you MAY NOT take the ammunition with you when you
leave the United States unless:
1. For ammunition for sporting shotguns, you
have an FFL export the ammunition. The
FFL must obtain an export license from the
Department of Commerce prior to exportation.
2. For ammunition for fi rearms other than
sporting shotguns, you have an FFL registered
with the Department of State, Offi ce of
Defense Trade Controls (ODTC), export the
ammunition. The FFL must obtain an export
license from the ODTC prior to exportation.
❖ The State Department recommends that
you provide the FFL with a letter from your
embassy on embassy letterhead explaining
why you want to export the ammunition.
You also should provide an import
authorization issued by the competent
Government offi ce in your country.

This is about as legal and straight forward as it can get.

 

[All Wheel Drive]

I love it when guys admit to knowingly illegally exporting from the US on a board that's monitored by Canadian and American agencies.

It's the internet, the guy could have said he brought back two kilos of drugs as well.

It's not like its admissible in court.

 

[Kodiak Outpost]

k, so whats the difference between what I said and an American bringing his gun and ammo into Canada to hunt / target shoot? Nothing, the law allows that.
The Americans would say nothing if they pulled me over prior to crossing because it's perfectly legal. I AM an American who is going to shoot in Canada.
The Canadians would say nothing after paying duty because I'm a Canadian who is bringing in less than 5,000 rounds for personal use.

I guess it's a matter of perspective...

One way to think of it: if you are taking ammo out of the states permanently, you are exporting and require a permit. I'm sure there are official definitions written in legalese. The important part is that you may try to justify it to yourself, but it is not legal and you will not convince a judge. The facts are quite clear, ammo exportation can only be done by licensed exporters with permits.

 

[All Wheel Drive]

Lots of gunstores along the US border are patrolled by agents that write down license plate numbers. Best believe if you are ever seen at a gunstore and then hit a port of entry later that you will be searched, arrested, your car and belongings are now US government property.

All the smart Canadians park their car at a local mall and take a taxi to the gunshop.

It avoids the above hassle.

 

[stubblejumper]

All the smart Canadians park their car at a local mall and take a taxi to the gunshop.

It avoids the above hassle.

Do those same people use their credit cards at the gunstore?

 

[SandRoad]

k, so whats the difference between what I said and an American bringing his gun and ammo into Canada to hunt / target shoot? Nothing, the law allows that.
The Americans would say nothing if they pulled me over prior to crossing because it's perfectly legal. I AM an American who is going to shoot in Canada.
The Canadians would say nothing after paying duty because I'm a Canadian who is bringing in less than 5,000 rounds for personal use.

I guess it's a matter of perspective...

Are you a Canadian or US RESIDENT ?

If your permanent residence is in the US you are allowed to take a hundred or so rounds out of the US for your personal use. If you are a Canadian resident then you are definitely exporting and need the US Export permits.

Also, there are several people that have posted they have seen/been stopped by US EXPORT checks various New York State crossings.

 

[joe-nwt]

I suggest you read the sticky on ammo export from the states, you are going to go down hard when a US cop or ICE decideds to have a checkstop for vehicles leaving the states.

Lots of gunstores along the US border are patrolled by agents that write down license plate numbers. Best believe if you are ever seen at a gunstore and then hit a port of entry later that you will be searched, arrested, your car and belongings are now US government property.
To all on this forum that continue to talk about there cross border shopping for ammo, please stop posting it. It is completly illegal without permits, no matter what you think.

Do you write scripts for the liberals and the antis?

ALL Canadian gun nutz go into gun stores in the US, if for nothing else than to look. Some might buy other items at the store that are not controled by export permits, such as reloading tools.

So lets deal with the facts and leave the fear mongering to those that do it best, shall we?

 

[All Wheel Drive]

Do those same people use their credit cards at the gunstore?

Not from what I hear.

 

[stormbringer]

, really makes you think all the steryotypical comments by non-gun owners are alittle more true!!! .

That is almost as bad as giving the impression that gun owners cannot READ!

 

[Buck45]

OK...so most of you already know what I have read!!! Now, do you know where to get or apply for these so called required export permits (Form 6 N1A.....?) It is unlikly i will get it but, not impossible!!!haha. Well if anyone has done this before and knows what is envolved....please give me some info so i can start.thanks BZ.

check the wording " SO CALLED " " ANYONE DONE THIS BEFORE"

MILLER PHRASE. and SOLICITING INFO.

 

[tootall]

Well thanks for all the replies!!! Iam new to the internet/computer and the whole gun/laws so I don't really know what is going on.There is alot of people on this website that can help you out with questions, most people couldn't...but for all the negative or Obscene comments some members give you, really makes you think all the steryotypical comments by non-gun owners are alittle more true!!! This is just coming from a new guy...lighten up a little and set an example for the new generation of shooters.ThanksBz.

I agree. He asked for help and who to call or where to look. All he got was a bunch of smart ass answers.

Point him in the right direction, give him a place to start and wish him luck.

He would figure it out eventually

I also agree. We seem to have too many keyboard tough guys here that would rather beat down a newbie than help him out.
For a first question, he simply needs an answer (or a link to an already posted answer!)

But if he starts his reply with "yeah, but..." then tune him in!

 

[bearkilr]

So what are the rules for an American bringing ammo to Canada?
Does the 5000 round max apply to them as well?

If so, find a friend stateside and the deal is done. Invite him for a hunt, and ask him to bring ammo.

edit:just discovered it's 200 rounds max for hunting/1500 for sporting competition.

 

[yyyyy]

"
❖ Were admitted to the United States for lawful
hunting or sporting purposes or are in possession
of a valid hunting license or permit lawfully
issued in the United States.
"

 

[stubblejumper]

So what are the rules for an American bringing ammo to Canada?
Does the 5000 round max apply to them as well?

If so, find a friend stateside and the deal is done. Invite him for a hunt, and ask him to bring ammo.

edit:just discovered it's 200 rounds max for hunting/1500 for sporting competition.

Technically,it's not legal for an American to leave any ammunition in Canada without an export permit,because that would be considered permanently exporting the ammunition from the U.S.A..

 

[gushulak]

Do you write scripts for the liberals and the antis?

ALL Canadian gun nutz go into gun stores in the US, if for nothing else than to look. Some might buy other items at the store that are not controled by export permits, such as reloading tools.

So lets deal with the facts and leave the fear mongering to those that do it best, shall we?

The facts without fear mongering.....read on oh unenlightened one!

I'm just telling it like it is. Lots of CGN have been stopped coming back through when they were at US gunshows only to have their lives torn apart.

Think I am making this up, search around a little more rather than making smart ass comments about what hypothetically happens. I had my car sitting in the parking lot of a large shopping center that happened to contain a gunshop. I did visit it but didn't buy anything except for some maps and stuff.

I got stopped about 1km from the Canadian border by US ICE. First question out of their mouth..."was I at such and such gunshop recently?" After I said yes and produced the reciept, they had me bring my car to customs for a detailed search.

When was the last time you crossed the border living in NWT?

So, don't just figure that because your car isn't near the gunstore, that they are too dumb to figure things out.

This doesn't happen just at the stores just across the border. I have been asked at customs if I had visited Cabela's in Rapid City, SD on such a day. I was researching rattlesnakes in Wyoming at the time and somebody got my licence number and forwarded it to US/Canada customs, which is about a 12 hour drive away. I was coming through customs about a week later when I was asked if I was at Cabelas in RC. Its a bit unnerving knowing the full extent of US law enforcement......

Wanna start fear mongering now?

Short and sweet, don't think your fooling them because your car isn't parked in front of the gunstore. As a Canadian, you will be tagged and they will follow up.

A funny aside note. I had shipped some live snakes to Florida from Minneapolis several years ago and got a call from the FBI because I put my Canadian address on the box. It cleared USFWS when I brought them in, somebody on the ball saw the foriegn address and contacted me. My package sat in Louisvelle, KY until I could produce the proper documents stating that the animals were legally brought into the country. I had the shipping documents inside the container but they demanded that I fax all the documents to them. This was at about 1am when I was sleepily driving home on the interstate.

The US alphabet boys play hardball. It is not pretty trying to explain something completely legal to them, imagine if you get caught with components in your car during a stop, what do you think their reaction will be.

 

[smartbomb]

Bring up some surplus 30-06 and Ill buy some off you.

 

[joe-nwt]

The facts without fear mongering.....read on oh unenlightened one!

I'm just telling it like it is. Lots of CGN have been stopped coming back through when they were at US gunshows only to have their lives torn apart.

I'm not saying it never happens. You make it sound like everyone that stops at a gun store WILL be stopped.

When was the last time you crossed the border living in NWT?

You know, I am just about sick and flippin' tired of the insinuation that just because I live in the NWT that I don't drive anywhere. I drive about 50,000-60,000km a year. No I'm not a trucker. YES, I cross the border several times EVERY year. YES, like all gun nuts, I like to browse the local gun stores wherever I am, including the US. NO, unlike apparrently everone else, I have not been stopped while returning to Canada.

Short and sweet, don't think your fooling them because your car isn't parked in front of the gunstore. As a Canadian, you will be tagged and they will follow up.

Tagged how? Not that I am advocating any type of illegal activities, but outside of not actually buying the things I used to while in the US (gun related) I come and go from the gun stores and conduct myself in the same manner I have for years. I am sure the potential exists for a random check, but to suggest there are full time agents at stakeouts at every gunstore in the US is a stretch.

I got a speeding ticket today (seriously). Cops are everywhere! If they even see you look at a car, they are going to be askin' you questions! Your best bet is to not even say the word *car*.

See how ridiculous that sounds?

 

[shootemup]

IBTL!!! Seriously newbs, read any one of the many threads on this topic before making stupid posts, especially if you are trying to lend a positive impression of the "new generation". Heck I'm new generation...I lurked here for awhile before posting...and I made damn sure what I was asking wasn't illegal or stupid by reading the knowledge of others...

 

[pmt]

I'm not saying it never happens. You make it sound like everyone that stops at a gun store WILL be stopped.


Tagged how? Not that I am advocating any type of illegal activities, but outside of not actually buying the things I used to while in the US (gun related) I come and go from the gun stores and conduct myself in the same manner I have for years. I am sure the potential exists for a random check, but to suggest there are full time agents at stakeouts at every gunstore in the US is a stretch.

Tagged how?......well they been know to use the old fashioned way of recording plate numbers, as well as make/model/colour. They also have used such tricks as marking your vehicle by cleaning one headlight, or applying a piece of clear cellophane tape to your headlight. They get creative during winter months.

Crossing 3 or 4 times a year really isn't that much. Those of us living near border towns cross 4 to 6 times a month. Random checks leaving the US are not that rare, and are becoming more frequent. Vehicle searches at primary are becoming more prevalent. Dogs are regularly used at NEXUS crossings.

Point is, just because you rarely see it, doesn't mean it's not happening.

 

[Rutger]

Let me know when you get a couple of crates of surplus 303 I'll buy all you can get, providing its cheaper than CDN Tire.