Identifying if Mark 5 Mec 600 jr from pictures

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Hey y'all,
I know I'm working the forum hard these last few days...but I spotted a used MEC 600 jr on a site and was wondering if someone could help me out as to whether it's a Mark 5 or not? Seller says it's a Mk 5, but I don't see it written anywhere and the picture doesn't match exactly what's on mecoutdoors.com.

I've done a shared album with the pictures provided by the seller here

Anyone could confirm if it's truly a mk5?

Truly appreciate it guys,

David
 
That is the old style. the new style mark 5 has the nylon crimping dies.
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I have owned 3 of those presses and they work very well.
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As said that is a pre-82 600Jr.

The crimp dies, the wad guide and the powder check are the main differences.

There’s nothing wrong with them and that one looks clean and in good shape, and will load shells just fine. Your call based upon price if it’s worth it to you, the seller likely doesn’t know the subtle differences themself and they are just misinformed about it being a Mk 5.
 
Not real sure, but the one I have says "Mark 5" on the owner manual - I think others are called "Mark V" - maybe people refer to both as a "Mark Five"???
 
Show him these replies. If he's not an a hole, he should man up & give you for a lower price. If he doesn't & doesn't change his ad, you should call him out on it.
 
Most certainly is a pre 82 600 jr .as it has both the multi piece wad finger guide and spindex (pre crimp) . the 82 to 85 model had the updated wad finger guide but still used the multi piece spindex . the mk v as both the updated spindex and wad fingers . looking at the paint wear on the base plate it hasn't loaded many shells . and will load as well as any new mk v . as noted above you can upgrade the unit for not a lot of cash if you feel the need .
 
Hmm, the dilemma.

So what would be the downside of using this press versus a Mk V? I saw on youtube that you need to slide down the guide on step 3: Before lowering the tube to insert powder, wad and shot. And then slide it up once you are done with that step. A tad annoying, but if all the rest is the same, then it's not such a big deal.

I'm not sure I understand what limits (if any) using this press would have versus a newer one. In all honesty, it still looks better than a Lee Load All (!) hehe. I don't want to cheap out on the press, but if I could save a few bucks, it would help with the additionnal purchases I'll need to do, such as a scale and what not.

rembolt, timberPig: It does look in good condition. Can I still get bushings and charge bars for it?

Asking price is 225$. With shipping, will probably come up to 260$ easily. Knowing what I know now, would offering 150 shipped be a slap in the face to the seller? What do these usually go for?

Truly appreciate the mentoring guys!

David
 
downwindtracker2: Just watched a video on youtube. Is that 94$ to upgrade to metal parts instead of polymer parts?

Cause from the picture..it does look like it has those upgrade installed (pre-crimp and crimp seem to be metal already if you look closely)

David
 
Hmm, the dilemma.

So what would be the downside of using this press versus a Mk V? I saw on youtube that you need to slide down the guide on step 3: Before lowering the tube to insert powder, wad and shot. And then slide it up once you are done with that step. A tad annoying, but if all the rest is the same, then it's not such a big deal.

I'm not sure I understand what limits (if any) using this press would have versus a newer one. In all honesty, it still looks better than a Lee Load All (!) hehe. I don't want to cheap out on the press, but if I could save a few bucks, it would help with the additionnal purchases I'll need to do, such as a scale and what not.

rembolt, timberPig: It does look in good condition. Can I still get bushings and charge bars for it?

Asking price is 225$. With shipping, will probably come up to 260$ easily. Knowing what I know now, would offering 150 shipped be a slap in the face to the seller? What do these usually go for?

Truly appreciate the mentoring guys!

David

There is very little difference in using this to load vs a Mk 5, certainly not enough to be holding out for the newer model. As mentioned, most of the parts can be updated if you want to.

There is really no functional difference between this and a Mk 5, and the advantages of the newer design are slight. It is way ahead of a Load All for ease of use, adjustability and will make better shells easier.

It looks to be in good condition, certainly cleaner than most of that age. The charge bars and bushings are the exact same parts for the older and newer models and readily available. The 302 ( single stage bars are 302, progressive are 502) started as fixed shot charge/fixed powder charge, then went to fixed shot/powder bushing, then the rubber anti bind insert was added on the shot side. All will fit any of the 600’s or the Sizemaster.

The price is somewhat higher than what you may be able to buy one for but the 12ga presses are cheaper than any of the other gauges. Based upon the yellow hulls I am assuming it is a 20ga press which adds some to what you can expect to pay. Depending on what else is included will also influence the price.

Given the cost of shipping, plus the already slightly higher price, you could try for $150 shipped, but he likely won’t jump at it. If you get it shipped for $200-225, wouldn’t be too out of line to me, much more and I would likely keep looking. As a reference I bought a 12ga ‘82-85 600 JR with a couple charge bars, handful of bushings, some AA CF hulls, couple part bags of shot some wads etc about 8 years back for $115, which was a fairly decent deal, but as a face to face I didn’t have shipping costs. 20ga is typically 25-50% higher asking price to start, so $150 ish before shipping for a 20ga 600JR seems fairly typical as a lower end of what I have seen.

Overall it’s your call, 12 and 20ga loading has been pretty limited due to the cost of promo loads vs components, but seems with rising prices and weaker supplies, there has been more interest lately so shotshell presses may be in higher demand and thus holding a little more value.
 
downwindtracker2: Just watched a video on youtube. Is that 94$ to upgrade to metal parts instead of polymer parts?

Cause from the picture..it does look like it has those upgrade installed (pre-crimp and crimp seem to be metal already if you look closely)

David

The metal precrimp and crimp dies are the older design, the Zytel dies are the newer design.
 
The up-grade was replacing metal with plastic parts. The bottles got changed. Old bottles can get brittle. Think of the mess if they break. Parts are easily available in Canada.

Faced with the same question as you, I paid the same as new Load-all II , but had the additional cost of upgrading. He threw in wads and hulls. I feel I got a great deal, more of a gift than a purchase. I try to use the 1/3 new cost rule when buying used as my max. There is always parts costs as well. The MEC is adjustable, where as the Lee is done by feel. Both work well, just one is works better. Or at least as it was explained to me on a Shotgun forum . I'm a retired millwright, so most anything is merely a chuck of iron to me, but I am very impressed by the MEC 600jr. It would be a good buy even new.

I'm going to try my hand at trap for the first time tomorrow, it looks like fun. I have just patterned the shotgun, it shots where I point it. That's where the reloading will save some money.They tell me $2 a box. But the skills may transfer over to big game hunting.The other thing is I will be able to load bismuth non-toxic loads for a 2 3/4" 12 ga.

I like you am just starting this journey. I hope this helps.
 
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timberPig: It is for 20ga.

I offered the guy 175 and split shipping. I'll see what he says. Can't wait!

David

That isn’t out of line in my opinion.

Hopefully he bites and you can start the fun of spilling shot and powder while making some shot shells ��.
 
The seller found someone local, so he's going for that instead. I would do the same. No hassle of packaging everything trumps a few extra bucks any day!

I did learn something new though in the process.

I think an older Mec Jr would be perfect for what I want to do and to start in the hobby.
 
Some times older is better the pre 1980 600 had steel parts why anyone would want to change up to the new plastic parts is beyond me other than some older wad guide parts are not available . I am in the 3mac1 club with mec loaders but I admit he still has me beat by a few . Old is better sometimes .
 
The more I look, the more I'm seeing that it seems more important to find the right gauge than the exact press you want.

Basically, any MEC press in good condition is going to do the job.
 
huntingfish: Yes! Once you have the platform(basic press)....the ability will always be there to change gauges, if desired. That's where MEC really shines....for their versatility.
 
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