IDF M14 parts kits picture thread!
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P0WERWAGON
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exact same thing for me, even checked today in hopes of someone working overtime. LOL. too bad i just cant pop over the bridge and grab it.
Third Defect
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Mine is waiting in Richmond too!
Yeah, for those looking for the more sought after name parts, there will definitely have to be swap+cash involved. I'm sure some folks may be more willing to do straight SA-H&R-WN trades, but to a point SAK and TRW for any of the former 3 would likely need to be negotiated.
@ Dunno : Yeah, keep in touch with me. Once they get cleaned up and separated, I'd be willing to trade you the SA housing for your HR-N one! It would actually make my rifle almost all SAK/H&R since my bolt is a subcontracted H&R. As far as I'm concerned, the differences in manufacturer trigger groups is most likely menial and more for folks that want a matching set from the same company. I could be gravely mistaken on that and please educate me folks if I am. Definitely keeping my General Dynamics/SAK barrel and oprod
@ Dunno : Yeah, keep in touch with me. Once they get cleaned up and separated, I'd be willing to trade you the SA housing for your HR-N one! It would actually make my rifle almost all SAK/H&R since my bolt is a subcontracted H&R. As far as I'm concerned, the differences in manufacturer trigger groups is most likely menial and more for folks that want a matching set from the same company. I could be gravely mistaken on that and please educate me folks if I am. Definitely keeping my General Dynamics/SAK barrel and oprod
M14 rifles never came with all matching parts fellas...... are we really gonna go down the road of the M1 garand guys and start fretting over "all matching" parts rifles LOL
let's not turn this rifle into that eh? pleeeeez?
Other than some nostalgia(trw) and obviously air gauged barrels(trw, sak) , ALL usgi parts are manufactured to a certain criteria. This is why i stated early on that i didn't really care what brand i got because it's all gravy. Creating a false EE market is where i see this going and that is kind of a shame. They are IDF rifles...... would be a crying shame not to rebuild them exactly as they are on a new receiver..... and keep the kit intact to shoot again.... I see real collector value in that route going forward.
Got word from the fella who placed our orders and looks like i have a heavy and a standard on the way
will be completing my SEI receiver and crazy horse barrel build finally and not sure what i'm gonna do with the rest of the parts but will certainly not be ending up on the EE
let's not turn this rifle into that eh? pleeeeez?
Other than some nostalgia(trw) and obviously air gauged barrels(trw, sak) , ALL usgi parts are manufactured to a certain criteria. This is why i stated early on that i didn't really care what brand i got because it's all gravy. Creating a false EE market is where i see this going and that is kind of a shame. They are IDF rifles...... would be a crying shame not to rebuild them exactly as they are on a new receiver..... and keep the kit intact to shoot again.... I see real collector value in that route going forward.
Got word from the fella who placed our orders and looks like i have a heavy and a standard on the way
will be completing my SEI receiver and crazy horse barrel build finally and not sure what i'm gonna do with the rest of the parts but will certainly not be ending up on the EE
ThatM305Guy
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So I just picked mine up now.
Looks like a TRW op rod
SA marked barrel
TRW Hammer,
Can't find any letter markings on the bolt or trigger group though. Just an "x" on the bolt.
Also not sure if it's just me but...the rifling in this barrel is virtually indistinguishable....Looks almost totally shot out. Unless I'm missing something?
EDIT: Okay maybe the barrel doesn't look as bad as I thought it did haha
Looks like a TRW op rod
SA marked barrel
TRW Hammer,
Can't find any letter markings on the bolt or trigger group though. Just an "x" on the bolt.
Also not sure if it's just me but...the rifling in this barrel is virtually indistinguishable....Looks almost totally shot out. Unless I'm missing something?
EDIT: Okay maybe the barrel doesn't look as bad as I thought it did haha
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m14medic.ca
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So..... what you're offering is someone to trade their Acura RSX parts for your Honda Civic parts....
John
John
m14medic.ca
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With no mfr letters just cage code= Winchester.
Winchester also marked bolts with EE and X
John
Winchester also marked bolts with EE and X
John
m14medic.ca
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I have to agree.... manuf matching would be "cool" but the electropenciled numbers matching would be something you could point to and say "this rifle was used by an Israeli sniper". As opposed to "all these mix-matched parts that are manufacturer matching came from IDF stores"
That said, a parted out parts kit, would probably net $1500 on the open market....
John
That said, a parted out parts kit, would probably net $1500 on the open market....
John
M14 rifles never came with all matching parts fellas...... are we really gonna go down the road of the M1 garand guys and start fretting over "all matching" parts rifles LOL
let's not turn this rifle into that eh? pleeeeez?
Other than some nostalgia(trw) and obviously air gauged barrels(trw, sak) , ALL usgi parts are manufactured to a certain criteria. This is why i stated early on that i didn't really care what brand i got because it's all gravy. Creating a false EE market is where i see this going and that is kind of a shame. They are IDF rifles...... would be a crying shame not to rebuild them exactly as they are on a new receiver..... and keep the kit intact to shoot again.... I see real collector value in that route going forward.
Got word from the fella who placed our orders and looks like i have a heavy and a standard on the way
will be completing my SEI receiver and crazy horse barrel build finally and not sure what i'm gonna do with the rest of the parts but will certainly not be ending up on the EE
a throat erosion gauge will give you a good idea of what you have.
Some manufacturers only made certain parts as well
an example would be SAK , only barrels and oprods were made by them as far as I know.
HR, winchester and SA "I think" made full parts lists
I don't think all manufacturers were involved in the assembly process as well and this even furthers the unlikelyhood of an all matching parts rifle off the assembly line.
I could be wrong tho.... I don't know everything haha
an example would be SAK , only barrels and oprods were made by them as far as I know.
HR, winchester and SA "I think" made full parts lists
I don't think all manufacturers were involved in the assembly process as well and this even furthers the unlikelyhood of an all matching parts rifle off the assembly line.
I could be wrong tho.... I don't know everything haha
I can tell you that my 12(3) complete USGI M14 is all H&R matching. I have another one too...I'll have a look and let you know.
jeepcjaholic
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Kinda wondering about the heavy barrel kit I have on the way, want to build it as it comes!! Hoping the stock and barrel are in good plus condition. Fingers crossed
BattleRife
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Some of history given here does not agree with what appears in my copy of Stevens' US Rifle M14. While there were some exceptions (IE Winchester built their first few thousand rifles with Springfield receivers and H&R bolts), generally speaking all the 4 major producers (this does not include Saco / General Dynamics, who were a parts supplier only) either made the major components themselves or subcontracted them directly, so they should bear the mark of the major contractor. In other words, the great majority of M14 rifles were all-matching in terms of manufacturer when they left the factory.
Also, the root of the positive reputation of TRW wasn't so much that their parts and rifles were awesome so much as that the parts and rifles of the other 3 makers were found time and again to be sh!te. Production of the M14 was extremely problematic, and the ordnance board and US Congress launched multiple investigations into the failed program which found that incompetence by Springfield Armory, Winchester and H&R was downright routine. Early in the program some H&R receivers and bolts were found to be brittle and shatter upon firing, so that every H&R and Winchester (they bought some bolts, remember?) had to be recalled and new inspection techniques found to separate the good from the bad.
In the fall of 1961 a test program intercepted 21 M14 rifles, seven from each of Springfield, H&R and Winchester, headed from the factory to army stores, for examination and testing. These rifles had just passed inspection from the main government small arms arsenal, or from contractors who had signed binding contracts to produce MIL spec rifles. Every single rifle failed to meet MIL spec. "M14 rifles submitted for this test failed to meet the military specifications with respect to head space, bore dimensions, surface finish of bore, chromium plating of bore, trigger pull, rear sight elevating knob adjustment, and broken and improperly assembled parts." The idea that every M14 part accepted into service meets the same standards for quality and performance is clearly wishful thinking.
Also, the root of the positive reputation of TRW wasn't so much that their parts and rifles were awesome so much as that the parts and rifles of the other 3 makers were found time and again to be sh!te. Production of the M14 was extremely problematic, and the ordnance board and US Congress launched multiple investigations into the failed program which found that incompetence by Springfield Armory, Winchester and H&R was downright routine. Early in the program some H&R receivers and bolts were found to be brittle and shatter upon firing, so that every H&R and Winchester (they bought some bolts, remember?) had to be recalled and new inspection techniques found to separate the good from the bad.
In the fall of 1961 a test program intercepted 21 M14 rifles, seven from each of Springfield, H&R and Winchester, headed from the factory to army stores, for examination and testing. These rifles had just passed inspection from the main government small arms arsenal, or from contractors who had signed binding contracts to produce MIL spec rifles. Every single rifle failed to meet MIL spec. "M14 rifles submitted for this test failed to meet the military specifications with respect to head space, bore dimensions, surface finish of bore, chromium plating of bore, trigger pull, rear sight elevating knob adjustment, and broken and improperly assembled parts." The idea that every M14 part accepted into service meets the same standards for quality and performance is clearly wishful thinking.
...which is what makes these parts kits that much more worthwhile: they were all hand inspected by Israel Military Industries using much the more modern inspection techniques of the day, and represent the best of what was produced. 28% of the rifles inspected were kept for the M14 sniper rifle program, with the remaining 72% being converted into spares (much of which has since been sold off).
It's no secret that the M14 is an excellent rifle platform; though outdated by modern standards it is extremely capable and reliable.
Pictures people! Post those pictures!
kits arrived Friday. Everything looks fine. Let the building begin.
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The regular profile barrel is sak. And barely looks used. One TRW bolt and 2 H&R One TRW trigger group and 2 H&R One sa op rod and 2 H&R = happy happy happy
The regular profile barrel is sak. And barely looks used. One TRW bolt and 2 H&R One TRW trigger group and 2 H&R One sa op rod and 2 H&R = happy happy happy
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banshee_biker
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Should I make a google sheet for everyone to add the manufacturers of each part? We can get a good sense of how the kits shook out. I have no desire to split up my HB kits but would Be cool to see what everyone got. Let me know what parts I should add to the spreadsheet and I will make it public
EDIT: Here is the link https://goo.gl/forms/W5WH6L4HSrt68n7c2
Everyone should be able to anonymously add their information to the database by filling out the short form.
I'm with Sh0ckw4v3 on the quality of these kits. I doubt any low quality items could of lasted this long in military service regardless of who made them. I'd be more worried about worn out parts, not MFG.
EDIT: Here is the link https://goo.gl/forms/W5WH6L4HSrt68n7c2
Everyone should be able to anonymously add their information to the database by filling out the short form.
I'm with Sh0ckw4v3 on the quality of these kits. I doubt any low quality items could of lasted this long in military service regardless of who made them. I'd be more worried about worn out parts, not MFG.
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