IDF to replace the Tavor with M4

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After only a decade of using the Tavor rifle, the IDF is replacing the Israeli made rifles with the US made M4 rifles.
I suspect that the decision is financial-political. The US gifts money to its military industry indirectly by giving foreign aid in the form of credits to make purchases from US military companies. Israel receives "gift cards" from the US which can only be redeemed at US weapons providers, so Israel ends up dumping Israeli tech for US tech. This happened in the past with the Israeli Lavi fighter jet and is happening again with the Tavor.

Article in Hebrew.
 
JoeShmow said:
After only a decade of using the Tavor rifle, the IDF is replacing the Israeli made rifles with the US made M4 rifles.
I suspect that the decision is financial-political. The US gifts money to its military industry indirectly by giving foreign aid in the form of credits to make purchases from US military companies. Israel receives "gift cards" from the US which can only be redeemed at US weapons providers, so Israel ends up dumping Israeli tech for US tech. This happened in the past with the Israeli Lavi fighter jet and is happening again with the Tavor.

Article in Hebrew.
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Thanks for posting. Remember how the US "interfered" with the Canadian Avro fighter jet so many years ago. They hold the monopoly.
 
The M4 is perfectly adequate for most of what needs to be done by the IDF. Sad to see politics at play like this but it's not a huge deal.
 
Canada should do the same with our Foreign Aid Program's
Forget the cash, which people steal , get over thrown, and ask to move to Canada
 
JoeShmow said:
After only a decade of using the Tavor rifle, the IDF is replacing the Israeli made rifles with the US made M4 rifles.
I suspect that the decision is financial-political. The US gifts money to its military industry indirectly by giving foreign aid in the form of credits to make purchases from US military companies. Israel receives "gift cards" from the US which can only be redeemed at US weapons providers, so Israel ends up dumping Israeli tech for US tech. This happened in the past with the Israeli Lavi fighter jet and is happening again with the Tavor.

Article in Hebrew.
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Would IWI US (the subsidiary that makes Tavors for the US civilian market) count as a US weapons provider? ��
 
870P said:
In English:

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/313041

I can understand why they did it, but its still disappointing to see that the primary user of what's probably the most successful recent standard infantry rifle design will be ditching it.

I wonder if they'll still field the Tavor 7?
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Same disease that made them drop the Galil.
Even if it was a little heavy it was the bee's knees in 1973. Many of the first production runs built on Valmet milled receivers.
 
Not surprised. Kinda know it is coming. Not good for IWI in foreign sales of more X95, but again it doesn't look like TAVOR is going anywhere with future big orders after the Indian contract loss, and places like Columbia and Chile went for Galil instead of TAVOR.

Looks like X95 will be depending on the US commerical market from now on.

The writings are on the wall when IWI started showcasing awhile Carmel ago and their own push rod AR. But even Carmel is not a good design.

A lot of it I suspect is that IWI and Mepro want to create an integrated system in the get go - TAVOR is terribly designed for LAD and night fighing. Their home growth Mepro 21 with integrated laser point is simply not sufficient and TAVOR was designed around it. Even Carmel has the same problem. There are simply no good ways to attach things like PAQ 15 to X95/TAVOR, which are essential to more recent fighting technology and TTP.

I have grown to know how to use a X95 efficiently, but my first choice will always be an AR if available.
 
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How relevant will laser aiming devices be in the not-too-distant future given the proliferation of thermals?
 
BTW, Colombia is still using Tavors alongside with Galils. Tavor is usually given to the officers and NCO, while Galil is carried by rank and file soldiers.
 
JoeShmow said:
After only a decade of using the Tavor rifle, the IDF is replacing the Israeli made rifles with the US made M4 rifles.
I suspect that the decision is financial-political. The US gifts money to its military industry indirectly by giving foreign aid in the form of credits to make purchases from US military companies. Israel receives "gift cards" from the US which can only be redeemed at US weapons providers, so Israel ends up dumping Israeli tech for US tech. This happened in the past with the Israeli Lavi fighter jet and is happening again with the Tavor.

Article in Hebrew.
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I am sincerely surprised that the United States would actually represent their own interests in that arrangement.
 
Not really surprised when considering both the rise of short M16/M4 rifles and the decline of bullpup rifles.
I think that recent combat experience was the last nail in the coffin. It’s almost impossible to find an infantryman with extensive combat experience who favors bullpup rifles.
 
Nick933 said:
I like the X95, but I would always prefer an M4 if I had the choice.
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Love my X95 as well...I have owned some replicas of M4s over the years (various air rifle replicas) - the M4 design is definitely overall more visually appealing. I would have to presume if they are switching over to the M4, that the reliability of the M4 is just as good if not better than the Tavors.
 
they gave me to play with a famas for a year and i preferred the 49/56 and frf1 then frf2 i had. you can use it like the tavor but not a surprise if the concept is great but the cost and really utility is bringing m4.
i do enjoy enjoy to shoot the m4 that was at haines (ak) range. owned by a class 3 licensed and we had fun comparing it with my sw mp2 lol .... now only a dust collector in a safe ...
 
I think the Israelis are making a mistake.
Always better to have your own weapon system, than depending on someone else.
 
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