IDPA/CDPA Whinning and #####ing
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Please, as a service to Canadian Gun Owners (like what canadiangunnutz.com usually does...)
re-lock this thread and call a week cool off period on anything related.
re-lock this thread and call a week cool off period on anything related.
CDP Course Rates
There is one uniform rate accross Canada for CDP Courses.
Competitors Course 1 and a half days is $50.00
Instructors Course 1 day $40.00
Range Officer 1 day $40.00
Any variation from this would involve a combination of two or more courses, range fees and maybe membership in CSSA. CSSA membership is $45.00 and dropped to $40 for anyone taking one of our courses.
Instructor expenses are included in those fees. If anyone thinks they are high they should check around at other course rates..
There is one uniform rate accross Canada for CDP Courses.
Competitors Course 1 and a half days is $50.00
Instructors Course 1 day $40.00
Range Officer 1 day $40.00
Any variation from this would involve a combination of two or more courses, range fees and maybe membership in CSSA. CSSA membership is $45.00 and dropped to $40 for anyone taking one of our courses.
Instructor expenses are included in those fees. If anyone thinks they are high they should check around at other course rates..
Steve David
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- Oshawa, Ontario
I think this has been in interesting thread. I am still not sure what cetain beefs are with CDP and why certain individuals are so hot under the collor over it, but a lot of points made, and the most important, have fun.
KevinB,
You are right, we can be our own worst enemies at times.
KevinB,
You are right, we can be our own worst enemies at times.
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bclinehand
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- Clearwater B.C.
I am still wondering what rules CDP follows as it has been stated very strongly above that the IDPA rulebook is not used can someone straighten this out ?
and to the poster above who said uncle Mikes holsters were not IDPA legal you are right they are not unless you modify them a little with a heatgun (sort of squash the offset belt loop) IDPA rules state that modifications are allowed to equipment to ensure that it conforms to the rules
and to the poster above who said uncle Mikes holsters were not IDPA legal you are right they are not unless you modify them a little with a heatgun (sort of squash the offset belt loop) IDPA rules state that modifications are allowed to equipment to ensure that it conforms to the rules
Steve David
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- Oshawa, Ontario
bclinehand said:
Well, Dave Burke waved in earlier, I am sure he can answer this if it is such an issue for some.
bclinehand said:
To not allow the Uncle Mikes Kydex belt holster is a very stupid rule!
Steve David
You obviously have no idea what the rule states to make such an statement. The rule on holsters is there to prevent IDPA becoming an equipment race as we have seen in IPSC. THe Uncle MIkes doesn't meet the holster test and as bclinehand has stated can be modified to meet the rule. The rule on holsters was changed to prevent a movement to race holsters which was not in keeping with what IDPA was all about. The rulekeepers made the right decision and it is not a stupid decision.
Take Care
Bob
You obviously have no idea what the rule states to make such an statement. The rule on holsters is there to prevent IDPA becoming an equipment race as we have seen in IPSC. THe Uncle MIkes doesn't meet the holster test and as bclinehand has stated can be modified to meet the rule. The rule on holsters was changed to prevent a movement to race holsters which was not in keeping with what IDPA was all about. The rulekeepers made the right decision and it is not a stupid decision.
Take Care
Bob
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Steve David
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- Oshawa, Ontario
Canuck44 said:
Yah, no idea what it states, thats it! You mean were it says;
"probably one of the most popular style pouch holsters is the current variation of the Uncle Mikes Kydex holster which is NOT suitable for concealed carry or IDPA competition due to its offset backpiece, which results in exsessive offset from the belt/body"!
It is a rediculous rule, the Uncke Mikes Kydex holster is not a race gun holster nor does the reasoning even elude to it being a race gun holster unless I am reading the last 14 words wrong.
I do not even use one but is is still a stupid rule!
Yah, no good for concealed carry, sure, tell all the people who bought them and use them daily they are no good and not suitable for concealed carry. They work good and it is a stupid rule.
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Well the rules are the rules.
In several states "printing" is grounds for revocation of the CCW -- thus the Uncle Mike's in NOT suitable.
The FOUNDERS of IDPA are very knowledgeable folk and out of their experiences they wanted to keep it down to a practical defensive pistol system -- with exemptions for service LE and MIL.
Frankly I find a lot of the Canadian whining about some of these issues laughable. Its supposed to be fun -- comply with the rules or take your box of toys home. I can't see why someone would buy a non compliant holster anyway -- your not allowed to CCW in Canada anyway -- so unless your trying to "game it" or trying to cheap out and buy what the local dealer had on the sale rack - why not do some research into the spirit of the sport and play properly?
Also I question the knowledge level of Canadians into how holsters work anyway.
Gawd this sounds like a IPSC gathering.
In several states "printing" is grounds for revocation of the CCW -- thus the Uncle Mike's in NOT suitable.
The FOUNDERS of IDPA are very knowledgeable folk and out of their experiences they wanted to keep it down to a practical defensive pistol system -- with exemptions for service LE and MIL.
Frankly I find a lot of the Canadian whining about some of these issues laughable. Its supposed to be fun -- comply with the rules or take your box of toys home. I can't see why someone would buy a non compliant holster anyway -- your not allowed to CCW in Canada anyway -- so unless your trying to "game it" or trying to cheap out and buy what the local dealer had on the sale rack - why not do some research into the spirit of the sport and play properly?
Also I question the knowledge level of Canadians into how holsters work anyway.
Gawd this sounds like a IPSC gathering.
Canuck44;
A $26 kydex holster can hardly be called part of an ''equipment race''.
As far as ''printing'' is concerned, I have never noticed this , nor has anyone around me noticed mine. I guess if one falls into the water, and gets ''sopping wet'', then it will; but so will everything else.
For those of us that are a little (or alot) on the ''portly''side , it means a bit more comfort and it actually can be more comfortable to wear.
I guess you're trying to be a ''purist'' and adhere strictly to the IDPA rules
while the rest of us are less interested in ''correctness'' and just want to have fun with it while giving safety utmost priority.
Shoot straight and have a nice day!
A $26 kydex holster can hardly be called part of an ''equipment race''.
As far as ''printing'' is concerned, I have never noticed this , nor has anyone around me noticed mine. I guess if one falls into the water, and gets ''sopping wet'', then it will; but so will everything else.
For those of us that are a little (or alot) on the ''portly''side , it means a bit more comfort and it actually can be more comfortable to wear.
I guess you're trying to be a ''purist'' and adhere strictly to the IDPA rules
while the rest of us are less interested in ''correctness'' and just want to have fun with it while giving safety utmost priority.
Shoot straight and have a nice day!
Dragoon said:
Trailrider still hasn't provided an honest and candid explanation why he decided to start CDP instead of just going the affiliated route......
So why didn't anyone else start up IDPA at the time? The fact that someone did something should be applauded. Easier being an armchair critic with 20/20 hindsight I guess.
Para P-12/Steve David
The rules outlining and defining holster design are set out on Page 32 of the IDPA rule book. This section was amended with the rules review that took place in 2005. Your $26. plastic Uncle Mikes Holster does not comply due to the gap between the belt and the holster. This rule was not Unlce Mikes Holster specific but rather to prevent the growing use of offsett holsters in IDPA. The fact the Uncle Mikes Holster cost $26 is/was not material to the definition.
Like somebody has already mentioned if you want to play the game find out what the rules are and what equipment meets the rules and go play. To buy equipment that does not comply then complain about the rule makes little sense.
As an aside the Uncle Mikes Nylon holster I use when I play the game with my CZ85 cost me one cent on ebay plus $6.00 postage in US funds. It is just as fast to draw from as my more expensive Blade Tec holsters I use to carry my Tanfoglio and STI Trojan/Para SSP.
Sounds to me like neither one of you have taken the time to read and understand the rule and why it came to be.
Take Care
Bob
The rules outlining and defining holster design are set out on Page 32 of the IDPA rule book. This section was amended with the rules review that took place in 2005. Your $26. plastic Uncle Mikes Holster does not comply due to the gap between the belt and the holster. This rule was not Unlce Mikes Holster specific but rather to prevent the growing use of offsett holsters in IDPA. The fact the Uncle Mikes Holster cost $26 is/was not material to the definition.
Like somebody has already mentioned if you want to play the game find out what the rules are and what equipment meets the rules and go play. To buy equipment that does not comply then complain about the rule makes little sense.
As an aside the Uncle Mikes Nylon holster I use when I play the game with my CZ85 cost me one cent on ebay plus $6.00 postage in US funds. It is just as fast to draw from as my more expensive Blade Tec holsters I use to carry my Tanfoglio and STI Trojan/Para SSP.
Sounds to me like neither one of you have taken the time to read and understand the rule and why it came to be.
Take Care
Bob
Steve David
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Oshawa, Ontario
This is actually funny now. Some are bitter and some are happy. Me I am happy, CDP is what we shoot, once again, we honour all CDP, IDPA, PPC and IPSC shooters out to our matches, we always have a good time, for me that is the bottom line, I never make it personal, this is only for fun. So with that being said, Bob you will be happy to hear that I am out of this one, time to stop talking and start shooting. If you are ever out to this Dictatorship, PM me, you are more then welcome to come on out and shoot, heck you can even use my gun, gear, and ammo and no I do not use an Uncle Mikes holster, I use a Blackhawk Serpa and I personally guarantee you will have a good time. This was fun for me, but a few of you took this far to personal and that ruins the spirit of the sport.
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"So why didn't anyone else start up IDPA at the time? The fact that someone did something should be applauded. Easier being an armchair critic with 20/20 hindsight I guess."
They did long before CDP got started and because people couldn't make any money off of it somebody decided to start CDP. The rest is history.
Armchair critic - you got to be kidding.
Take Care
Bob
They did long before CDP got started and because people couldn't make any money off of it somebody decided to start CDP. The rest is history.
Armchair critic - you got to be kidding.
Take Care
Bob
Steve David
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- Location
- Oshawa, Ontario
Canuck44 said:
Ok I said I was gone, but I have to answer you Bob one more time as you are just way to hostile over this. Once again, we do not shoot IDPA, we shoot CDP and in CDP we allow the use of the Uncle Mikes Kydex holster. Maybe we'll see you sometime, it is an open invitation and you are always welcome. Oh and by the way, I do not make a cent off of this, it actaully costs me money!
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Bob;
Remember a few things:
-I don't subscribe to the IDPA rule book because that is not the discipline I shoot.
-Kydex is not just ''plastic'', it's far superior to the Uncle Mike's fabric holsters.
-Let me re-iterate again what I've been trying to tell you all along:
We don't subscribe to the IDPA rule book because that's not what we are shooting!!!!!This is a new discipline that has really caught on and is growing;
Growing because it stresses the ''fun'' aspect as well as the serious aspect of
the sport.
You are still p**sing,and moaning about something entirely different.Could
it be that you're upset because we're enjoying ourselves in a more relaxed and fun envoirnment? Or you feel that IDPA is threatened by the ''new kid on the block''?
Accept it for what it is, just another discipline, made in Canada, and promotes the shooting sports in a less tight a*sed way.
Have a nice day!
Remember a few things:
-I don't subscribe to the IDPA rule book because that is not the discipline I shoot.
-Kydex is not just ''plastic'', it's far superior to the Uncle Mike's fabric holsters.
-Let me re-iterate again what I've been trying to tell you all along:
We don't subscribe to the IDPA rule book because that's not what we are shooting!!!!!This is a new discipline that has really caught on and is growing;
Growing because it stresses the ''fun'' aspect as well as the serious aspect of
the sport.
You are still p**sing,and moaning about something entirely different.Could
it be that you're upset because we're enjoying ourselves in a more relaxed and fun envoirnment? Or you feel that IDPA is threatened by the ''new kid on the block''?
Accept it for what it is, just another discipline, made in Canada, and promotes the shooting sports in a less tight a*sed way.
Have a nice day!
