IDPA-POCO-Members [UPDATED-PROPOSAL TURNED DOWN FOR 3RD YEAR IN A ROW. SEE POST#285]
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A bit off topic...but that's not a very good interpretation of the IPSC rule book...I'd go so far as to say that it's wrong.
The rule (section 3.3) specifically doesn not allow "local rules". The only deviation to the rule book has to be backed up by "Legislation or Legal Precedent" Other Exemptions may be allowed if approved in advance by the Regional Director and the IPSC Ecevutive Council...
So you use your example...if a club had a house rule that would not allow the use of the approved IPSC target...(and it's not an actual municipal, provincial or federal law) Sean would have to approve the use of another target and apply for formal exemption...or that host club would not be able to hold sanctioned IPSC Matches...
The rule (section 3.3) specifically doesn not allow "local rules". The only deviation to the rule book has to be backed up by "Legislation or Legal Precedent" Other Exemptions may be allowed if approved in advance by the Regional Director and the IPSC Ecevutive Council...
So you use your example...if a club had a house rule that would not allow the use of the approved IPSC target...(and it's not an actual municipal, provincial or federal law) Sean would have to approve the use of another target and apply for formal exemption...or that host club would not be able to hold sanctioned IPSC Matches...
Here's the rule if anyone is interested
Rule 3.3.1 IPSC matches are governed by the rules applicable to the discipline. Host organizations may not enforce local rules except to comply with legislation or legal precedent in the applicable jurisdiction. Any voluntarily adopted rules that are not in compliance with these rules must not be applied to IPSC matches without the express consent of the
Regional Directorate and the IPSC Executive Council.
Rule 3.3.1 IPSC matches are governed by the rules applicable to the discipline. Host organizations may not enforce local rules except to comply with legislation or legal precedent in the applicable jurisdiction. Any voluntarily adopted rules that are not in compliance with these rules must not be applied to IPSC matches without the express consent of the
Regional Directorate and the IPSC Executive Council.
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The lack of a 180 rule is largely misunderstood.
The Rulebook says:
So...IDPA rules calls for safe muzzle points.....on any matches we hold including the BC Provincial Championship we handle it this way:
This approach is also very common below the Medicine Line as well.
John
The Rulebook says:
So...IDPA rules calls for safe muzzle points.....on any matches we hold including the BC Provincial Championship we handle it this way:
This approach is also very common below the Medicine Line as well.
John
Thank you, Slavex, I'm doing my best here. As you say "Politics at clubs is never fun." but as you know they're in everything from Pee-Wee girls soccer on up. That's why I quit them, especially when democratic procedure is perverted by one individuals agenda.
I was trying to save IDPA the 'grief' of going through what IPSC had to, but apparently that's not to be, so we'll just have to 'wait and see', I guess. Maybe another club would be more receptive and happy to receive Lower Mainland members to contribute to their 'coffers' ?
I'm glad we understand each other better now, and from an ex-5 year President of 'Shooters Unlimited' to a current 5 year President, I wish you nothing but the best of luck !
To John for clarification; As far as I know, Bill Wilson "invented" IDPA, I just happened to mention to a couple of guys discussing 'gun games' what we were doing in B.C., and I was certainly never "it" in IPSC, I was frequently asked to bring up the concerns of others more 'timid' than myself and I feel I contributed my fair share or more only to be 'slagged' for it.
For that, I rescinded my participation and contributions, but I was NEVER "it" or claimed to be, THAT 'title' belongs to another, and just like the children's game of 'Tag', to be 'it', just puts a 'target' on your back, and I've been 'back-stabbed' enough WITHOUT the target, thank you very much !
So, we all clear on that now ?
Now, if we could just find a club closer to 'Greater Vancouver' that's 'politics-free', flat, accepting of Shotgun, Rifle, IPSC, IDPA, SASS, 3-gun, Metallic Silhouette and everything else, with reasonable fees, good access, functioning washrooms and a decent 'canteen' , life would be wonderful ! Darn it, THAT'S the U.S., I was fantasizing about !
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- Prince George B.C.
Sorry, you lost me there????
John
NVM, just ignore my last few comments; they're not clearing anything up, and I don't want to elaborate.
Pats, nice post
I like the way you think.
I am not privy to the inside scoop at PoCo so I can't speak to the specifics of their approach to the BoD but I would like to offer this perspective.
First, I love multigun ! I would love to see multigun take off. To that end I have put on a few multigun matches on our range in Terrace. So far trying for 2 per year. With the other disciplines shooting here, IDPA and IPSC, open weekends are limited. With that in mind.......baby steps. 2 per year and lets see how it goes.
The analogy to IDPA starting out is not perfect of course. To have a chance of taking off I would expect to see a couple of practice nights per month and hopefully a club match every month or two.....whatever the range will bear. But the point is baby steps
You may wonder why I would even give a crap what happens in PoCo for IDPA...well I will tell you. I have shot there and seen their facilities. Poco has a setup that could easily host a Provincial IDPA match. No question. A National Championship Match would also be a downstream possibility. And....now IDPA has initiated a World Champ match. The facilties I have seen would, IMO, handle any of these matches.
Obviously the income possibilities for the hosting club are bright if this could ever come to pass.
But like Pats says we have to get on 1st base before we can ever dream about a homerun.
Baby steps.......
John
I totally agree with your comment. We are not trying to take over BOD at Poco, we only want to shoot IDPA matches occasionally at Poco. Also may be one practice session a week.
To organize it requires dedicated people who can commit to spend extra time and effort for the benefit of others who may be interested in it. No one is paid for the work. Whatever money collected will be for the club i.e. Poco.
At Chilliwack, we pay $5 for the targets everytime we shoot a practice session on Wed nights. (6pm to 9pm indoor in winter and outdoors in summer) Every first Sunday of the month we have a club match. Usually seven stages.
So range time required is miminal. This is a real baby step that we are proposing at Poco. Until more people are interested and join then the requirement may change. Prime example is to think back at the beginning of IPSC.
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- Prince George B.C.
It seems like it should be simple enough.
Read and understand the rules of IDPA.
Read and understand the rules and regs of the facilities you want to use.
Make sure both are respected.
Go forth and make lots of noise
Easy....lol....
John
Read and understand the rules of IDPA.
Read and understand the rules and regs of the facilities you want to use.
Make sure both are respected.
Go forth and make lots of noise
Easy....lol....
John
YES, it does take time to organize and it does take people to commit to it
but what you had proposed is nothing to what you have just written. the way your talking about unused range time is like you wanted to be up there every weekend or every chance you had.
and from what your saying about chilliwack it sounds like you dont even need to be affilited with IDPA, or even a member, and that you just want to go out and shoot the style and have some fun with others that like shooting the style ..
Is this what your saying ???
and was it really just 1st base that you wanted all along?
yes, no one is paid for the work. but you gotta know that things still need to be payed for , targets, lath, tape, batterys, timers, range repairs, prop repairs, trophys if you do that, or a BBQ if you do that. money only helps us improve what we have at the range and have more of what we need. just because PCDHFC is a non-profit club does not mean we cant have a profit on events. that profit allows us to up grade the range and structures
For a club to advertize IDPA events it must be affiliated with IDPA. New shooters interested in IDPA are allowed one shoot before membership is required by rule.
Typically member clubs charge their shooters a fee to shoot club matches. At Terrace we charge $10.00 per member per shoot. This more than offsets the cost of targets, tape etc. Last year our relatively small IDPA club contributed over $1,000 net of all expenses incurred to our club. Expenses last year included 500 targets (a two year supply for us, and money spent on building a couple of props that are used by IPSC for their events). We also charge $5.00 to shoot the IDPA Classifier, again to cover the cost of targets & tape plus a small profit that goes back to the club. Our practice nights are free as we use old targets to practice with.
This year our section will build a couple of more props (walls) that are given over to the club and can be used by IPSC for their events as well.
IDPA is a net provider of funds to the club and will be at Poco if the club chooses to affiliate.
Take Care
Bob
Pats
Canuck is the IDPA BC area coordinator. So he knows what he is talking about. Defer all questions on representation, affiliation, rules etc to him.
He is extremely nice and level headed. Would love to have Poco to be affiliated with IDPA as this club has the best facilities to serve many shooters.
But as you said first base not home run. That was all we wanted but we felt that we were not even allowed to pick up a ball and bat to walk into the playing field, let alone play.
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sure i'm sure that canuck is a very nice person, provincal head or not.
but he is not the one making the proposal for IDPA at PCDHFC. Maybe he should if hes got all the numbers and answers.
but this is not where the answers need to be, they need to be infront of the BOD.
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- Prince George B.C.
That's right it simulates scenarios. Just as IPSC did at one time. Well actually I think many IPSC stages still do if you really stand back and look at them.
Both sports come from the same roots but they have travelled their own path to their present form.
Regardless...they are both sports. Once you introduce a timer and keep score you have a game - not a gunfight.
John
The above statement is misleading, the actual rule from page 53 of the current rule book states,
"Contestants may only shoot one IDPA match as a non-
IDPA member. Competitors wishing to shoot additional matches
must become IDPA members."
only if the shooter wishes to compete in "matches" does he have to purchase an IDPA membership, for practice nights it does not matter if you are a member or not.
just to clarify that so you do not get forced to "require" IDPA membership for non match events and so that you clearly understand the requirment.
