Thank heavens that FAQs don't count - otherwise we'd all have trigger locks on our NR rifles during transport!
Idpa q&a
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Exactly as it goes deeper than the FAQs as per Onagoth's post....
Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited or Restricted
SOR/98-462
Registration September 16, 1998
PART 4
PROHIBITED DEVICES
3. (1) Any cartridge magazine
(a) that is capable of containing more than five cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in
(i) a semi-automatic handgun that is not commonly available in Canada,
(ii) a semi-automatic firearm other than a semi-automatic handgun,
(iii) an automatic firearm whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger,
(iv) the firearms of the designs commonly known as the Ingram M10 and M11 pistols, and any variants or modified versions of them, including the Cobray M10 and M11 pistols, the RPB M10, M11 and SM11 pistols and the SWD M10, M11, SM10 and SM11 pistols,
(v) the firearm of the design commonly known as the Partisan Avenger Auto Pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, or
(vi) the firearm of the design commonly known as the UZI pistol, and any variant or modified version of it, including the Micro-UZI pistol; or
(b) that is capable of containing more than 10 cartridges of the type for which the magazine was originally designed and that is designed or manufactured for use in a semi-automatic handgun that is commonly available in Canada.
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When you add in catridge type for which the magazine was originally designed you're golden. Problem is just like many intelligent people on this board disagree with this the same thing could happen with a police officer. You might have to spend a bit on a lawyer but you would definitely get off.
You hope. Unfortunately you are betting that a judge is going to read a much into the sentence as you do. Personally I wouldn't bet on it.
The AR dedcision was really quite simple. The mags are designed for use in a pistol so they were allowed to be loaded to 10 rds. Being dead right in a cross walk is a peric victory indeed.
Take Care
Bob
Grump, grump, grump. The RCMP has ruled that you can put more than 10 9mm rounds into a .40 mag and use it, as attested to by several people here other than me.
When they say we can't do something, we don't. When they say we can, and the plain reading of the law agrees with them... then we can and should.
Oh Storm I understand the concept. Load 13 rds in a .40cal mag and try to make it work in a 9MM gun. Hell use the mag in your ,40cal gun and you may make the gun fire as well. I just don't subscribe the theory that you post something like you have and run the risk that a shooter reads it, gets caught with a pistol loaded with 13 rds, gets charged, loses and you sit back and say what an injustice. Meanwhile the shooter runs the risjk of losing his pistol, his right to own firearms and since it would be a federal offense gets barred from entering the US for life. All for what? Because some armchair amateur lawyers thought they were right.
Take Care
Bob
ps Why not phone your CFO in Ontario and ask him for his ruling. If you don't like his answer ask your lawyer.
stormbringer
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Why do that when we have a letter from the RCMP?
Ishootguns
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So even though you would be right legally is it worth the risk of the possible fight you might have to undertake to be able to continue your chosen sport. Considering that the people that enforce the law historically have a dismal understanding of firearms law. As I understand it they have been unofficially told that in situations that are not crystal clear to their guidelines to press charges and let the courts handle the legal battles. Which would be very costly and while this is proceeding you can surely garauntee that your firearms will have been confiscated. You may come out on top in the end and after all the BS and red tape get your firearms back but not your money. The question is unless you have a letter from the RCMP to say that it is legal, is it worth the above.
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I've never been told anything like that, either officially or unofficially.
If anyone is told that, their boss if a ####in #### that needs to get his head out of his ass.
Ishootguns
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Well there has been the odd person in leadership positions with their head in their a** Unfortunately I was told that by a close friend in that line of work.
thanks for giving your thoughts....I really hate to say it, but I think we should not f**k with the ruling. 10rds per mag,....thats it. Not how much other ammo you can put in it. (ie: putting 9mm rounds in a .40 mag.)
Personally, I would love to put 15-30rds in a pistol mag, but the law says otherwise. Unless CSSA or someone with money is going to hire your lawyer, you should stick to the rules.
stormbringer
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Ishootguns doesn't have "testa dura". He probably has better functioning brain cells than most on this board.
I also made the mistake of not reading every post before putting my 2 cents in.
I still think it's legal to load 13-14 9mm into an unaltered .40 mag.
Whomever has the RCMP letter should really scan it and post it! Think of all the CGNers that would then go out and buy a .40 if they don't already have one just to have some fun!
No, it doesn't. If it does, show us where.
Ishootguns
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I will clarify what I meant. There is a letter from the RCMP stating that this is legal, fine. My point is that if you yourself do not have a copy of this letter in your posession when shooting 13 rounds of 9mm out of your 40 cal mag, you are risking a serious run in with our glorious legal system.
I hope this clears up what was meant.
stormbringer
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That would be prudent........
Mind you I also carry a copy of the transport regs for the very same reason. Plenty of shooters do not know the rules and the police are no different in far to many cases.
Mind you I also carry a copy of the transport regs for the very same reason. Plenty of shooters do not know the rules and the police are no different in far to many cases.
I dont think the charges would be that hard to fight....or that expensive. It may not even go to court.
In my limited legal opinion, an officer would probably charge with possession of a prohibited device. You would meet with the crown, explain the law and the charges would very likely be dropped before going to court. If not, CSSA gets involve and may be able to provide council for low cost/no cost.
The key here is that the magazines have to be stamped .40 and be unaltered. If they're not stamped, your offside.
In my limited legal opinion, an officer would probably charge with possession of a prohibited device. You would meet with the crown, explain the law and the charges would very likely be dropped before going to court. If not, CSSA gets involve and may be able to provide council for low cost/no cost.
The key here is that the magazines have to be stamped .40 and be unaltered. If they're not stamped, your offside.
