if they ban a rifle can we dewat and keep it??

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i am not clear on this. if they ban a rifle can it be dewated? or cut the receiver in three pieces and keep all the parts to sell off or whatever. it would suck to have to turn it in without any compensation.

what did guys do when they did the first ban? did they cut the receiver and sell it all off as a parts kit?
 
they would like you to dewat all of your black rifles...

The first ban was an OIC ... with certain provisions for compensation and others had none (SP89 etc).

You should be able to dewat anything.
 
are you saying some you had to turn in no choice? what about if you showed you destroyed the receiver and could sell everything as a parts kit. to dewat a rifle costs money so you would loose your money anyways if you did that and tried to sell it.
 
jaygt said:
are you saying some you had to turn in no choice? what about if you showed you destroyed the receiver and could sell everything as a parts kit. to dewat a rifle costs money so you would loose your money anyways if you did that and tried to sell it.
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i am going on second hand info but ..........yup, esp in the UK that info was from a first hand brit
 
rajczak_kashka said:
if they ban what you already own legally...........then you grandfather into that now prohib classification with the weapon....simple as that!
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:stfun00b: try telling that to any of the guys who owned SPAS-12's

the governemtn doesnt owe you nothing, and you dont actually 'own' your guns. they just let you use them until they decide otherwise. there is nothing saying they have to grandfather after a ban.
 
How many owned spas-12's ? my guess is not alot. If they decide to ban a more popular gun or group of guns it whould be infinitely easyer and less expensive to just grandfather.
 
x2 - right now the deal is the gun must be destroyed, no chance of grandfathering. That can mean it is welded completely solid (all internals welded, action welded shut, mag welded solid in place, barrel plugged with a steel plug and held with a blind pin.

Alternatively you strip the reciever and turn in just the reciever, and sell the parts elsewhere.

I personally say if they decide on an all out ban, we need to go to the courts.
 
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if this is to be the case then govt should offer buy back program to compensate all those who legally bought these weapons when they were allowed under previous law or allow grandfather prohib (like AK 47 in 96`)
 
Instead of spending time on a worst case scenario, why not spend the time writing another letter to the PMO, Public Safety Minister or Garry Breitkreuz telling them you want Bill C-301 passed unamended! Keep talking deafeatist thoughts and soon you'll start believing them!
 
As other have suggested, the grandfather clause was a one shot deal to get folks to register. Not likely to see it happen again without some political support.

And if the weapon is completely banned, meaning cannot be sold to anyone, there will be no chance of compensation. You can always deactivate, but that is a poor plan B. A pretty expensive paperweight.

Keep up the good fight, and just keep in mind that it is an issue of when, not if. So keep that in mind when building your collection of Restricteds. Hopefully our generation gets through clean, but our kids will have a lot fewer choices than we do.
 
Panman said:
As other have suggested, the grandfather clause was a one shot deal to get folks to register. Not likely to see it happen again without some political support.

And if the weapon is completely banned, meaning cannot be sold to anyone, there will be no chance of compensation. You can always deactivate, but that is a poor plan B. A pretty expensive paperweight.

Keep up the good fight, and just keep in mind that it is an issue of when, not if. So keep that in mind when building your collection of Restricteds. Hopefully our generation gets through clean, but our kids will have a lot fewer choices than we do.
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Why should our kids have fewer choices?
 
M995 Swiss said:
Why should our kids have fewer choices?
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I'm not supporting it, but the fact is that is the direction it usually goes, unless we can generate the political will to change it. And letters are pointless without serious numbers (i.e. voters) to back them up.

I personally believe it is a "use it or lose it" scenario. Whether the video game culture, cheap food, or just plain disinterest in working for your dinner are to blame, the practice of hunting and various forms of shooting are in decline. As important as it is to push our politicians, unless the majority of people have a vested personal interest in losing these rights, they are going to go away. Maybe the kids should have the right, but they have to want it first.

I think the most important thing to do is to bring new faces to the sport, and encourage and support hunting where we can. Unfortunately the vast majority of Canadians live in or near cities, and believe thier beef comes from Safeway, not the farm. :rolleyes:

We can't expect to win the fight, when millions of Canadians are being separated from these skills and pursuits, and fear and ignorance are quickly replacing them. Unless we find a way to turn the tide, I say kiss your restricteds and prohibs goodbye long before our kids are old enough to inherit them.
 
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jaygt said:
it would suck to have to turn it in without any compensation.
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It sure would! But, jaygt, what I need to know is... How many letters have you written in the last couple weeks? Personally, I've written several, mailed & faxed copies to the Prime Minister, the Minister of Public Safety & my MP, not to mention copying the CFC on one of them via email. I've also printed off the Conservative donation form and mailed it back to the Prime Ministers Office, the Minister of Public Safety & the donation office, all with this message, "Yes to Bill C-301, NO to Bill S-5, NO $ until Bill C-301 Passes"... You want a political party to pay attention? Affect their pocketbook! Remember Finance Minister Flaherty saying he was going to take away the $1.95 each party gets for each vote they get??? THAT little fiasco got the Conservatives in such a mess that Prime Minister Stephen Harper had to prorogue Parliament!!! IMAGINE the effect we could have if all gun owners in Canada sent in a form filled out like I described!!!

Alot of the guys on here b1tch & moan about "the system", well, it's the system we have, like it or not! Work within the system & do what you can, DON'T sit idle and miss the opportunity to voice your opinion! Turning your gun into a paperweight, turning in your gun, compensation or not, being "added" to a "new" class of grandfathered rifle owners is NOT okay, ALL of it is just another erosion of the rights of LAW ABIDING Canadians!!!

Cheers
Jay
 
My guess is that you won't have enough time to get your precious firearms dewatted anyway unless you do it BEFORE any new OIC's/laws get passed. The only reason why 12(3) (converted auto) firearms were so common in their time is because people went ahead and go them modified after full-autos were made prohibited and didn't want to go thru the hassle to owning prohibited firearms.
 
i have zeron interest in DEWAT firearms, i am also not interested in cars with their engin soldered into a block or airplane with their wings cliped.
 
The last time around there was no compensation (it wasn't just the SPAS-12, they grabbed Feather AT-22's, AT-9's, Steyr AUG's, and those cool little pistols with the wind up 50 round magazines - forget what they were called) You were told you WOULD call the local PD and they would come and pick it up, or you could drop off the firearm at your local gunshop and get a receipt, then the police would pick it up from there. Forget rational and reasonable. I was told by one of the guys doing the "chasing down of some loose ends" (a guy who had bought a $2600 Steyr AUG and wasn't jumping to be first in line to give it away) that they would not accept a stripped receiver, he figured that they would just get a court order for the rest of the gun, and then if it wasn't turned over have the guy jailed for contempt of court, for as long as it took. My view of law enforcement (for which I take a lot of criticism and even get infractions here) changed permanently that day, up until then the vast majority of my friends were LEO's, no longer. Confiscation IS real and it IS wrong, always was, always will be.
 
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