If you are going to throw a mag durring a course of fire...

Unbelievable that would be allowed!

Definitely IDPA for me. None of this nancy boy gaming and drama that surrounds IPSC.

If drama is keeping you away from a sport, I might consider that something becoming of a "nancy boy". Having spent a few days with Manny, I can assure you he is far from a nancy boy.
 
I used a mag and activated that same activator. It felt damn awesome.

Who's going to tell me not to do that or what I can shoot and when in a stage? Getting told what to do and when is not shooting action games.

Uh...I'd call that cheating (or gaming). I can't believe that would be allowed.

Why not? Restrictive rules don't help the game.

Unbelievable that would be allowed!

Definitely IDPA for me. None of this nancy boy gaming and drama that surrounds IPSC.

No drama in 'the other leagues' - I don't know maybe I'll ask Mass or Wes next time I see any of them...

During the 10 years of shooting IPSC, I remember it being nothing but a game of egos. Personally thats why I moved on.

And I understand we all owe you something. You moved on - we get it.
 
Taking away whether it is allowed or not, I think most would agree the point of pressure plates placed in this manner is for foot activation to simulate target movement starting from the point of the shooter entering the position.
Short of adding more rules to the rule book,it comes down to stage design to negate some of the 'not so practical' gaming.

While I generally support the 'freestyle' arguement, I find it a little ironic that some competitors would defend this type and similar action during a match, yet vehemently fight changes that would see .22s and air soft compete...

Drama? Is there a shooting sport that doesn't have it's share?
 
the people that cry about that are the ones that have their head up their ass too far to think of it. also the same ones that cry about stages being too hard. He took a risk and it worked out that time. it doesn't always pay to do stuff like that but since the stage is free style there is no reason not to allow it. he didn't do anything outside of the rules, just something outside of the norm.
 
Taking away whether it is allowed or not, I think most would agree the point of pressure plates placed in this manner is for foot activation to simulate target movement starting from the point of the shooter entering the position. Short of adding more rules to the rule book,it comes down to stage design to negate some of the 'not so practical' gaming. While I generally support the 'freestyle' arguement, I find it a little ironic that some competitors would defend this type and similar action during a match, yet vehemently fight changes that would see .22s and air soft compete... Drama? Is there a shooting sport that doesn't have it's share?

Agreed wholeheartedly.
 
I think most would agree the point of pressure plates placed in this manner is for foot activation

I don't agree. All you have to do is activate it. The stage directions do not tell you how to do it or when to do it. We need to follow directions, not try to come up with what we think the point of it is.
 
I don't agree. All you have to do is activate it. The stage directions do not tell you how to do it or when to do it. We need to follow directions, not try to come up with what we think the point of it is.

Right, I'm not suggesting it's use in a stage needs to be dictated....

i'm only pointing out the principal design features of a pressure plate being placed on the ground with a piece of plywood covering it's mechanism lends its use to the foot....much in the same way a sweater with the one big hole in the middle and the two smaller holes on the ends of the tube like sleeves lends itself to be worn is such fashion where an individual would put their head through the middle part and the arms through the two others...
I'm no more inclined to tell people how to use a pressure plate as I am to telling them how to wear or what to do with their sweaters (although I think once or twice I have made the suggestion to my kids in their early years...)

I do think throwing mags to activate a pressure plate - or for that matter have magazines perform a function other than feeding ammunition into a gun is silly.
Stopping short of drafting that into an already lengthy rule book, I'd tend to want to see stages designed in such a way as to curtail such silliness.
 
so should we have to open every door with our hands, since thats how they are intended to be used? its a pressure plate, not a step on it with your foot plate. the simple way is to use your foot but there are many other ways.
 
I do think throwing mags to activate a pressure plate - or for that matter have magazines perform a function other than feeding ammunition into a gun is silly.
Stopping short of drafting that into an already lengthy rule book, I'd tend to want to see stages designed in such a way as to curtail such silliness.

In that case, you can always put it in the course of fire description (i.e. "pressure plate must be activated by one of the competitor's feet").
 
Why do you think the rule books become unwieldy tomes over time?
Answer...there is always someone who can look at a situation with a new set of eyes and goes on to develop a novel solution to the problem....and this spawns yet another 'definition', 'exclusion', 'clarification', etc., etc..
Admire the 'innovator' for what they are.
When your lawyer utilizes the same process to save your sorry ass from prosecution or being found at fault, he's a f**ing genius...in your eyes!
 
much in the same way a sweater with the one big hole in the middle and the two smaller holes on the ends of the tube like sleeves lends itself to be worn is such fashion where an individual would put their head through the middle part and the arms through the two others...
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In that case, you can always put it in the course of fire description (i.e. "pressure plate must be activated by one of the competitor's feet").

Yes that is always an option, but again, I think good course design negates the need to go into particulars or lengthy diatribes on how one has to perform on the course of fire.
 
so should we have to open every door with our hands, since thats how they are intended to be used? its a pressure plate, not a step on it with your foot plate. the simple way is to use your foot but there are many other ways.

I'm not sure where you are going with your analogy? Are you referring to doors used in an IPSC match? (Assuming you are still on the topic of stage design for an IPSC match and not veering off) Depending on the type of actuation and mechanisms of the doors involved, I suppose one could kick or shove a door with their shoulder to open it. I've never seen one opened with a loaded mag though - that would be a treat....
 
you want to force people to use their feet on a pressure plate, why don't you want to force people to use their hands to open doors or windows?
 
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