In praise of AR15 or Swiss Arms CQB?

"I think the CQB (552 Type) is a discontinued design so parts may be in short supply. SAN is only producing the 553 type now. "

Wrong, most reputable companys produce parts for at least 10 years following the discontinuation of a gun. In this case they are still producing parts, have them in stock and you can buy the SG553 gas system parts to retro-fit the SG552 / CQB and make it into a SG553. You only need 4 different parts and one is a standard SG550 bolt carrier.

Rich
 
CQB vs AR-15

Perhaps you should look at the post a couple above yours on the AR-15 malfunctions. I have fired lots of different ammo through my Swiss Arms rifle and CQB without a hiccup. There is a lot to be said for a piston driven system. rigrat
 
I have fired both. I am squarely on the side of the AR-15 for a number of empirical reasons.

A swiss arms CQB mutilates brass, it's not more accurate, it cannot run 10 round mags, it is overpriced, it is heavier than my 14.5" AR-15, it does not have the part selection, options or availability of the AR-15.

The AR-15 is not my favorite rifle, but it beats the swiss arms CQB hands down any day of the week.

No contest really.
 
Rich LPS said:
"I think the CQB (552 Type) is a discontinued design so parts may be in short supply. SAN is only producing the 553 type now. "

Wrong, most reputable companys produce parts for at least 10 years following the discontinuation of a gun. In this case they are still producing parts, have them in stock and you can buy the SG553 gas system parts to retro-fit the SG552 / CQB and make it into a SG553. You only need 4 different parts and one is a standard SG550 bolt carrier.

Rich
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Well that's neat! Although personally I would not buy a rifle that has been discontinued. That's just me though. That 553 conversion you speak of is not cheap either. I do like the Swiss rifles. I think the carbine is a better choice then the current CQB though.

smak_daddy said:
I have fired both. I am squarely on the side of the AR-15 for a number of empirical reasons.

A swiss arms CQB mutilates brass, it's not more accurate, it cannot run 10 round mags, it is overpriced, it is heavier than my 14.5" AR-15, it does not have the part selection, options or availability of the AR-15.

The AR-15 is not my favorite rifle, but it beats the swiss arms CQB hands down any day of the week.

No contest really.
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Agree.
 
rigrat said:
Perhaps you should look at the post a couple above yours on the AR-15 malfunctions. I have fired lots of different ammo through my Swiss Arms rifle and CQB without a hiccup. There is a lot to be said for a piston driven system. rigrat
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And I have fired thousands of rounds through both systems and had stoppages in each. The piston is not the be all end all for reliability.
 
rigrat said:
Perhaps you should look at the post a couple above yours on the AR-15 malfunctions. I have fired lots of different ammo through my Swiss Arms rifle and CQB without a hiccup. There is a lot to be said for a piston driven system. rigrat
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The reliability of a piston system over a DI system has nothing to do with a few range trips.

You'd have to shoot thousands of rounds in each system without cleaning to begin to see the benefits of a piston over a DI system. A piston system does not extract better, fire better or feed better. It simply pushes more gas out of the chamber than a DI system does.

I've owned 6 Colts, 3 LMT's, 1 Rock River Arms and 1 Armalite. All DI systems. I can count the confirmed rifle related malfunctions of my DI guns on one hand. All were related to broken parts, not flawed design. The worst offender for jams was bad mags. Next worst offender was cheap ammo that would push bullets into the brass upon feeding. In a very rare situation , I had a round that just exploded because the brass split from neck to base when it went off. It split my 30 round mag (it was 1989) like a butterfly and spilled all the rounds onto the floor.

I would argue that under the circumstances you used the rifle, the piston system had no advantage over the DI system. None.
 
both systems work great and do what they are intended to do, its really personal preference. no need to knock either platform, targets have been obliterated by projectiles exiting the muzzle of DI and Piston rifles for many years and that trend will continue. Buy what you like and it won't be a wrong decision.
 
Gunnerlove said:
What does it cost to rebarrel an SA? Can I do it myself?
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Call TSE. They employ some good gunsmiths. The barrels are quite pricey If I recall correctly...like everything Swiss. I would advise against doing it yourself unless you really know wheat you are doing.

The AR is another story, any joe with a vise, action block and barrel wrench can do that.
 
The Swiss arms barrel is not hard to install theoretically. you just need the proper wrench and make sure the flat is leveled.
 
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