Inadvertently bought a Sten MK2.....
- Thread starter legendboy
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Cocked&Locked
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- S. Ontario
frak, i wish i could inadvertantly buy stuff like that. Just once in my life i'd like to have a chance to say " HOLY S#*T! Who knew there was a M2 in the bottom of that box o crap!"
- Location
- Tucson, Arizona
Now the funny bit. Years ago I bought a Sten parts kit from Canada (1980). The reciever tube was cut off behind the ejector, so I didn't have to fit that. The rest of it is a midas muffler piece of exhaust pipe. Works OK but feeding it these days has become expensive on a retirement check. My only addition to it was a bronze bolt which looks prettier than the steel one.
Even before that, I was offered an MP44 and the guy let me take it home. Being in grade school at the time, I couldn't afford the $35 he wanted for it. besides that, it didn't have the magazine and NO paperwork
Again I was not allowed to bring into the house the 20mm aircraft cannon I got for five bucks, so I sold it for $10
I now understand my parents not wanting a 7 foot long rusty cannon in the house.
Even before that, I was offered an MP44 and the guy let me take it home. Being in grade school at the time, I couldn't afford the $35 he wanted for it. besides that, it didn't have the magazine and NO paperwork
Again I was not allowed to bring into the house the 20mm aircraft cannon I got for five bucks, so I sold it for $10
I now understand my parents not wanting a 7 foot long rusty cannon in the house.You're in illegal possession of a prohibited firearm. Your only options are to dewat it or turn it in for destruction. No more FA firearms can be registered.
"...CFO told me not to worry about anybody crashing my front door..." Kind of surprised they didn't tell you the police would be there shortly to pick it up. Likely too much paperwork for them.
"...check with the military to see if this was a stolen weapon to cover my ass..." That'd be a waste of your time. Any STEN records would have been destroyed long ago.
"...don't even have their own guns in it..." Not required.
"...CFO told me not to worry about anybody crashing my front door..." Kind of surprised they didn't tell you the police would be there shortly to pick it up. Likely too much paperwork for them.
"...check with the military to see if this was a stolen weapon to cover my ass..." That'd be a waste of your time. Any STEN records would have been destroyed long ago.
"...don't even have their own guns in it..." Not required.
alrighty
Just go get it deactivated and sell it or keep it as a collectable. Not really any usable parts by your description. And you might want to get it done ASAP, regardless of condition, according to the RCMP you are in posesion of a prohibited firearm. So its only a matter of time before they DO come crashing through your door and you get stuck with some ilegal weapons charge.
monkeycanada
Regular
Sten MK2 is a funny gun as far as CFO/RCMP is concerned, the only part that is prohibited is the mag well. Remove the mag well and all you are left with is a collection of parts. Yes I know it make no sense but thats how they want it for this particular gun and mark.
No idea if sunrays opinion is accurate, but about 95% of what he says is not, so I'd take his opinion with a grain of salt...
You say that the barrel is plugged and welded to the receiver, sounds deactivated to me. Take it to a good gunsmith with experience in this area and he'll be able to sort you out I'm sure.
Lots of people will tell you different things, so this is my take on it, yes, they have guidelines on deactivating firearms but they are only guidelines not law. The law states that for something to be considered a firearm it must be able to chamber and discharge a projectile (or something to that effect). So what does this mean? Nothing really, the police or CFC may try and get you to do more work to satisfy them but that doesn't mean that the sten isn't legally a paperweight. You basically have to decide if it's worth the hassle.
Personally, I'd try and track down someone who has lots of experience with deactivations, they'll know what they're doing and be used to dealing with the beaurocracy.
Lots of people will tell you different things, so this is my take on it, yes, they have guidelines on deactivating firearms but they are only guidelines not law. The law states that for something to be considered a firearm it must be able to chamber and discharge a projectile (or something to that effect). So what does this mean? Nothing really, the police or CFC may try and get you to do more work to satisfy them but that doesn't mean that the sten isn't legally a paperweight. You basically have to decide if it's worth the hassle.
Personally, I'd try and track down someone who has lots of experience with deactivations, they'll know what they're doing and be used to dealing with the beaurocracy.
- Location
- East ontario
If the boltface is mangled, and the barrel welded shut, and into the receiver, sounds like it already complies with the state of deactivation required when it was done. Really, you should not have worried. Enjoy your old spec deac.
This kind of comment really pisses me off. You clearly know ####E about the Sten. I have owned several of them and shot a bunch that didn't belong to me and every one, without exception, worked perfectly. Please refrain from commenting on things you clearly don't know anything about.
Yes, I am sure if you asked the vets, especially the ones from 1st Canadian Corps, whom after leaving the Mediterranean theater for Northwest Europe , had to hand over their Thompsons in exchange for Stens ...they would fully agree with you
This kind of comment really pisses me off. You clearly know s**tE about the Sten. I have owned several of them and shot a bunch that didn't belong to me and every one, without exception, worked perfectly. Please refrain from commenting on things you clearly don't know anything about.
True, I don't have YOUR experience with Stens. I've only fired one sten, and in 40 rounds it had 5 stoppages (2 FTF, 2 FTE, 1 fail to chamber properly). From this experience, and reading many accounts of soldiers who hated it, and talking to vets who hated it, I choose to draw my own conclusion. So be pissed in your panties all you want.
- Location
- Tucson, Arizona
Funny, the only stoppages I hve had was caused by the ammo. AND some reloaded stuff that was too bloody weak to shove the bolt back far enough to catch the sear, resulting in half the mag going off after I released the trigger.
Now for a gun that is supposedly prone to stoppages, why was it made in different countries, some under the noses of the germans? EVEN the IRA made copies.
Now saying that, one version WAS a POS, The MkIII. They took simplyfying it a bit too far, and it was the ONLY version that had production stopped during WW2
Now for a gun that is supposedly prone to stoppages, why was it made in different countries, some under the noses of the germans? EVEN the IRA made copies.
Now saying that, one version WAS a POS, The MkIII. They took simplyfying it a bit too far, and it was the ONLY version that had production stopped during WW2
stencollector
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- shilo MB, the armpit of Canada
Don't forget about the stamped and rolled receiver recall of many, many mk2s. The non-re-enforced receivers would buckle in the center. Mind you, I have seen several examples of them which left Cdn service in the mid 60s, so some did solier on.
And when the M16 was first issued, it had major issues as well. But today both the Sten and the AR15 are very reliable guns. If I searched the Black Rifles Section I could find more than a couple of threads regarding serious issues with a modern day AR15.
People love to badmouth the Sten but the truth is it is a great design that filled a need during a time of desperation. Certainly it has some issues when first deployed but show me a gun that didn't.
I wouldn't trade a Sten for a Tommy Gun. The Tommy is excessively heavy and on the early ones the fine machining tolerances caused issues with dirt. The MP40 is an excellent design and the only WWII SMG I need to complete my collection.
No idea if sunrays opinion is accurate, but about 95% of what he says is not, so I'd take his opinion with a grain of salt...
I still harbour some suspicions that most of his replies are auto-generated by an answer-bot software. Can't think of a way to get that many posts with that little useful information in them, written in such a unique 'style'.
I, for one, would like to see some details of what has been done to this Sten already. It sounds more and more like it was legally deactivated unit already.
Cheers
Trev
