Indigenous sale of moose meat a murky territory, regardless of courtroom ruling

heliace said:
The meat and fish that was sold and traded in the "good ol' days" was not caught with the white mans, nylon gill net or shot with the white mans 300 winmag, or chased down the river in the white man's aluminum boat with a 60 horse Johnson on the back.Not to mention that there were only 50,000 people in the country compared to more than 30,000,000 now....? Give me and the poor wild life a BREAK!!!
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going to have to argue with your numbers as the native population in north America before the white guys showed up has been estimated up to 50 million.
 
farmer47 said:
going to have to argue with your numbers as the native population in north America before the white guys showed up has been estimated up to 50 million.
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We're talking about Canada here. You mention the highest estimated number in what is probably the "Americas", that would be North and South America. As we all know, our climate didn't and still doesn't allow for such a high population. Good try though.
 
farmer47 said:
going to have to argue with your numbers as the native population in north America before the white guys showed up has been estimated up to 50 million.
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That number seems way off to me. It would have been a tough life back then, starvation and sickness, mortality rates, would never have gotten the population that high.
 
bearkilr said:
How's the wild salmon fishery doing these days? How about cod? Herring? Tuna? I can go on.
Ask yourself how long a legal, unregulated harvest on wild game would be sustainable. It would take less time to decimate these populations than fish.
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A lot of the fisheries and wild game management aren't doing that great with the ministries input. A lot of the people in charge have no idea what they are doing.
 
kamlooky said:
They should incorporate this like they do the hookers.
It's legal to hook, but not buy.
One could only wish.

Soooooo then, when the kritters that Mah Terre become depleted, will that allow them
to go harass the farmers inventory?
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It sounds like a good reason for a barter system, just trade services rather than buy....
 
bearkilr said:
How's the wild salmon fishery doing these days? How about cod? Herring? Tuna? I can go on.
Ask yourself how long a legal, unregulated harvest on wild game would be sustainable. It would take less time to decimate these populations than fish.
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I think he believes we're still living in the days when people thought there was an endless supply of fish and wildlife. Conservation and fish/wildlife management is still a relatively new thing. It's only been what, 100+ years? :bangHead::bangHead::bangHead:

I'll never forget being offered to participate in spearing spawning walleye to make some cash and how offended the native guy was when I impolitely declined. It's one thing to take a large number of fish to feed the family, but to intentionally target spawners to put some money in your pocket is a disgusting act. Apparently jack lighting (spotlighting) deer is another good way of making extra money too. Sad.
 
silverfoxdj said:
54 million people is the consensus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas
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Go back and read that link. Esp the bit where is quotes a couple guys who call the high numbers questionable.

Note also that the vast majority of those populations appear to be placed in the warm bits of Central America and the extreme South of North America. "The Americas" = all three continents.

Probably more relevant is "The aboriginal population of Canada during the late 15th century is estimated to have been between 200,000[10] and two million,[11] with a figure of 500,000 currently accepted by Canada's Royal Commission on Aboriginal Health."

That's not very many people spread over a very large area, and, like as not, the largest numbers, were in areas capable of supporting their feeding year around, either the East or the West coasts. There simply never was the food density to support any huge numbers elsewhere.

Like so many things, the predator/prey relationship plays out, and if you become too efficient a predator, you run out of prey really quickly and either starve or move on.
Or, as happened in my area, a rockslide shuts off the salmon run, and starves out the populace, and the area remains essentially empty, for a period of several hundred years while the stocks recover.

In this case, it certainly does not bode well for the game populations.
 
trevj said:
Go back and read that link. Esp the bit where is quotes a couple guys who call the high numbers questionable.

Note also that the vast majority of those populations appear to be placed in the warm bits of Central America and the extreme South of North America. "The Americas" = all three continents.

Probably more relevant is "The aboriginal population of Canada during the late 15th century is estimated to have been between 200,000[10] and two million,[11] with a figure of 500,000 currently accepted by Canada's Royal Commission on Aboriginal Health."

That's not very many people spread over a very large area, and, like as not, the largest numbers, were in areas capable of supporting their feeding year around, either the East or the West coasts. There simply never was the food density to support any huge numbers elsewhere.

Like so many things, the predator/prey relationship plays out, and if you become too efficient a predator, you run out of prey really quickly and either starve or move on.
Or, as happened in my area, a rockslide shuts off the salmon run, and starves out the populace, and the area remains essentially empty, for a period of several hundred years while the stocks recover.

In this case, it certainly does not bode well for the game populations.
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I am not arguing the point either way but gave the link for discusion
 
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