Interest in 100 yard .22LR challenge - 2023 Discussion thread

That’s some very impressive shooting. Well done Glenn. Are these results from a gun you had restocked and bedded recently or one from your stable?

Thanks, Chris. The results shown above were with my Anschutz BR 1913, which I've been using for 100 yards since 2021. In an effort to keep it apples to apples as much as possible, I've been using this rifle, unchanged in a few years, as the one with which I compare different lots/ammos on target and over the chronograph. As always, a good rifle should shoot very well with the right box of ammo.

I have an older Anschutz, originally a 1973-made 1411 prone model, and I recently got a new inline BR stock for it that was pillared and bedded by Henry Remple. I've been using it also for 100 yards. Prior to this season I used the 1411 barreled action with a factory Anschutz BR50 stock.

Without pillars or bedding, in 2021 it shot (by a small margin) what is my best 100 yard challenge target.



It remains to be seen if I have the ammo to equal or improve on the target above.

With or without the new inline BR stock, the now 50 year old 1411 barreled action and the newer 1913 both shoot equally well. With any good rifle, it's always all in the ammo and conditions.
 
Thanks, skwerl. I think I must have kept that target.

For anyone wondering, targets like that don't get done on demand. The ammo is not consistent enough to do it even in a testing tunnel with a vise or shooting fixture.

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This group[ was measured at 0.468 and 0.475 on two different occasions.
Using BallisticX, and assuming the grids were 1", it measured 0.513". The grid lines are close to 0.965 and BALLISTICX then gives a reading confirming the 0.468".

The rifle was a Anschutz 1712 before a Sightron SII was installed and IIRC the scope was a Bushnell 6-24. This rifle generally outperforms the 1710. Ammo was Remington Eley Match with a published velocity of 1067.

However it was measured, that group is an exceptional example of what a good rifle with good ammo can do. And it certainly helps to have a skilled rifleman at the trigger. There's no reason to doubt that with good ammo Anschutz rifles can shoot.

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On a related note, I want to encourage other shooters to show their achievements with .22LR at 100 yards. Even if it's not an entry in the 100 yard .22LR challenge thread, let's see some .22LR results at 100 in this thread.

Readers would no doubt like to see a few results from some the newer makes of rifles such as Vudoo, RimX, or Ultimatum Deuce as well as those from older classics including Remington 40X and Winchester 52 models.
 
Let's see some results from others. Even if they are not entries in the 100 yard .22LR challenge thread, post some results here in this thread.

Today, a satisfying ten-shot group with Lapua Midas.

 
It was calm early this morning so I went to the range. I chronographed this ammo.

The bottom left bull was good from shots 1 through 9. I told myself to keep doing what I had been doing and the rest would be up to the ammo.
As is apparent the tenth shot was a little high from the previous nine.

Here's a multiple choice question.

What was the MV of the high tenth shot? What is X? (choices at bottom of the target)

 
It was calm early this morning so I went to the range. I chronographed this ammo.

The bottom left bull was good from shots 1 through 9. I told myself to keep doing what I had been doing and the rest would be up to the ammo.
As is apparent the tenth shot was a little high from the previous nine.

Here's a multiple choice question.

What was the MV of the high tenth shot? What is X? (choices at bottom of the target)


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what's the setup your shooting with? bipod and rear bag? Very nice groups once again!!
 
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what's the setup your shooting with? bipod and rear bag? Very nice groups once again!!

I’m going to say 1067 because it looks slightly more than 1/2” high to me and that would indicate a 20 plus FPS increase in velocity to my little whiskey soaked brain. That’s one helluvah group
 
Logic and physics would suggest 1077 to me, but I suspect this is being shown as an example of rimfire "funny behaviour" so I'm going to go with 1057
 
I'll take the 1047 ticket on a guess there's no more velocity but it's a wonky bullet.

There's exactly one flier in each group, so I'd almost be tempted to suggest throwing out the tenth bullet in each row right away when you open the box. :)
 
Logic and physics would suggest 1077 to me, but I suspect this is being shown as an example of rimfire "funny behaviour" so I'm going to go with 1057

That's a good observation.

The higher tenth round was in fact only 2 fps faster than the fastest of the previous nine shots which went into a smallish one hole group.

While this isn't an especially vivid example, it's an illustration that .22LR bullets don't always have a POI that matches their MV.

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Over the last couple of years I've been tracking MV and POI at 100 yards for a number of different ammos. The tracking is done almost always when I use a chronograph to gather infomation about ammo I use when shooting at 100 yards. I do this by recording MV and POI on a paper with a facsimile of the target being shot. Doing this at 50 is much more difficult than at 100. Even then it's sometimes it's quite difficult to tell where the round struck, especially if there are other POI that are close together. I record only those POIs in which I'm confident of location. I shoot when I'm confident that wind is as much as possible a non-factor.

What does the MV/POI tracking show?

It shows that generally there tends to be a relationship between MV and POI. In other words, MV and POI tend to be matching in that faster rounds strike higher on target than slower ones. But it's not uncommon to see disturbingly frequent incidents where MV and POI do not match. Sometimes it's not significant, but at other times, it's quite remarkable how a faster bullet can indeed strike the target with a lower POI than a slower round. And sometimes a round with a slower MV can have a POI above a faster bullet.

And it's not just the vertical component. Some rounds have a POI to the left or right of the POA that is not influenced by conditions (i.e. wind). At times this is quite significant, so much so that in the same group it may be possible to see rounds go to both the left and right of the POA, which indicates wind is not at play.

MV/POI mismatch is more common with the entry level ammos such as the various SK and RWS Rifle Match ammo I've tracked. But more expensive, "top tier" ammos aren't immune from this problem. A MV/POI mismatch occurs with more premium varieties such as RWS Special Match and Lapua Center X and with Midas +. And it occurs more often with some lots than with others. That is to say, some lots have fewer incidents of MV/POI mismatch than others.

If there's interest in seeing some of the MV/POI data please let me know and I can post some of it either here or in another dedicated thread.
 
Let's see some results from others. Even if they are not entries in the 100 yard .22LR challenge thread, post some results here in this thread.

Today, a satisfying ten-shot group with Lapua Midas.


what's the setup your shooting with? bipod and rear bag? Very nice groups once again!!
 
what's the setup your shooting with? bipod and rear bag? Very nice groups once again!!

This season I have a new-to-me front rest. It's seen with the rifle in question in the first picture below.



The rear rest shown above is mechanical. I decided to use that mechanical rear rest with my inline BR stocks that have no cant in the butt stock (i.e. the butt stock is inline with the barrel).

With this stock, I'm using the same Protektor rear bag that I've used for years (see below). The old front rest gave me very good results, too.

 
Cz 457

CZ 457, IBI 1-16 Olympic profile, MDT XRS, Timney shot off MDT bipod rear Shmedium gamechager. 24C, light switching wind

A full box of Eley Match, cold bore to finish - 5x 10x round 100 yards

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I was out Friday (9-01) with some 22s. Notably the 457 and the B22, using SK Magazine, SK+, and CCI-SV. Both at 100 and 50yds, ca 20* w-5-15k L-to-R wind. Nothing 'special' but The CZ did OK with SK+ @ 100 and w-CCI-SV @ 50. (CZ-457 V-MTR w/SK+; "Mag = SK Magazine")
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Pretty happy with my outing this morning. Not the best averages I've shot .... but probably the most consistent. The one 'sighter' group is my best group to date. However since it is the sighter I did not use it in the 3 group average. I've recently been trying a Caldwell Rock frontrest and I think the results are encouraging.

100yds @ Ridgedale, Abbotsford
Vudoo V22 with Bartlein barrel
Caldwell Rock rest
SK Long Range Match
Sightron 10x50-60 scope

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Nice shooting!
I picked up two bricks of Eley Match, only tried one box of it so far. I didn't get a single stray, I can't wait to dig into it again.

I saw you also shoot a Savage! As do I, my favorite is my $250 mark 2 with Center-X! My 457 build cost 10x the price but doesn't shoot 10x times better...

Pretty happy with my outing this morning. Not the best averages I've shot .... but probably the most consistent. The one 'sighter' group is my best group to date. However since it is the sighter I did not use it in the 3 group average. I've recently been trying a Caldwell Rock frontrest and I think the results are encouraging.

Nice shooting! DAMN IT, don't you LOVE that, typical rimfire, your best group ever is shows up in your sighter LOL. I feel it!
 
Nicely done, Dirk. Congratulations on an excellent target.

That's some extraordinarily well shooting SK ammo. It's results were certainly much more consistent than my best today.


thanks so much .... yes, I feel quite fortunate that it is shooting so well. Hard as I try though, I never seem to do as well at the club matches.
 
"Hard as I try though, I never seem to do as well at the club matches."
Great Shooting. Game day tomorrow. Always welcome the competition.
I have also entered you in the 200 Metre. Three relays will make for a short day.
 
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