interested in getting a TIMBERWOLF. anyone have a review?

My only exposure to PGW is through CanuckWR and his Coyote and Timberwolf. Both rifles seem very well made and from spotting for him out to 1100yds I can say that both of his rifles can shoot.
I have however heard from 3 completely separate people all of whom are either in the business of making firearms or using them in harms way that there have been issues with them that were inexcusable and the rifles they have seen should never have made it out of the shop. Since I never saw those things first hand I can't condemn the rifle, especially since they never specified when these things were witnessed and it could have been early production rifles and the issues have since been worked out never to be seen again.
What I have seen of them has all been positive but personally the PGW rifles are not for me. I own a DTA SRS in 338 Lapua and find the lighter wight and shorter length much more practical for my intended use. I take it hunting and quadding without issue and packing it through the bush is easy. Accuracy is on par with anything I've seen from a PGW rifle so to me I made the right choice. That choice will be different for everyone so don't take this as a challenge to prove to me your rifle is better than mine. I don't care what works for you, I only know what works for me.

What would stop me from buying a PGW rifle if I was in the market for a new long range platform is the comments made earlier by Ross I think it was calling himself a world class machinist and saying he was someone else's superior. To me that is cocky and arrogant and is enough to push me away from ever wanting to deal with someone like that. There were a few unprofessional responses to someone obviously trolling for a fight. I have no idea if what Ian was saying is true and it really doesn't matter. It's one guy's opinion and Ross could have simply asked him for proof of his claims and left it at that. Instead he was easily drawn into a childish match of name calling and personal bashing.

I am curious about one thing though. If these rifles are so great why are there so many reports about how great the warranty service is and how quickly problems were rectified? If they were built right in the first place no one would have any idea how the service was once the initial sale was done until it was time for a new barrel.

To all of you that love your rifle I'm glad you are happy and I hope it provides many years of great service and accuracy but they just aren't for me. If all I wanted it for was long range shooting off the bench or sandbags it would be a fine rifle but I like taking my 338 out hunting and quadding as well as shooting off the bench and to me nothing can touch my DTA when it comes to versatility in a small package. Add to the equation that if I wanted to I could buy different caliber kits and swap the barrels myself in less than one minute. I can also simply remove my barrel when I want to clean the rifle then re-install it myself and the rifle is still zeroed to my scope.
 
I never called myself a "world class machinist". That was Ian referring some friend of his who he was apparently going to get to "fix" all of our rifles and as for my comments they were in response to ridiculous assertions made by someone without a clue regarding the situation as a whole. I long ago lost my filter and patience for such things and I apologize if I offended you in any way shape or form and I certainly understand if you wish to not do business with us because of it.

As for your curiosity about our outstanding warranty service and customer support you should be aware that the amount of rifles we have produced is well into the "thousands" and we are currently working on an order of 529 rifle systems and our return rate for any type of warranty or non warranty repair issue hovers around the 3% mark so I think what you read is more of a testament to our customer service rather than an indication of shoddy manufacturing practices.

And for the record I agree that the DTA systems are amazing rifles that offer great performance in a versatile package. I have known Nicholas Young for years and he is a great guy. Glad you are enjoying your purchase...






My only exposure to PGW is through CanuckWR and his Coyote and Timberwolf. Both rifles seem very well made and from spotting for him out to 1100yds I can say that both of his rifles can shoot.
I have however heard from 3 completely separate people all of whom are either in the business of making firearms or using them in harms way that there have been issues with them that were inexcusable and the rifles they have seen should never have made it out of the shop. Since I never saw those things first hand I can't condemn the rifle, especially since they never specified when these things were witnessed and it could have been early production rifles and the issues have since been worked out never to be seen again.
What I have seen of them has all been positive but personally the PGW rifles are not for me. I own a DTA SRS in 338 Lapua and find the lighter wight and shorter length much more practical for my intended use. I take it hunting and quadding without issue and packing it through the bush is easy. Accuracy is on par with anything I've seen from a PGW rifle so to me I made the right choice. That choice will be different for everyone so don't take this as a challenge to prove to me your rifle is better than mine. I don't care what works for you, I only know what works for me.

What would stop me from buying a PGW rifle if I was in the market for a new long range platform is the comments made earlier by Ross I think it was calling himself a world class machinist and saying he was someone else's superior. To me that is cocky and arrogant and is enough to push me away from ever wanting to deal with someone like that. There were a few unprofessional responses to someone obviously trolling for a fight. I have no idea if what Ian was saying is true and it really doesn't matter. It's one guy's opinion and Ross could have simply asked him for proof of his claims and left it at that. Instead he was easily drawn into a childish match of name calling and personal bashing.

I am curious about one thing though. If these rifles are so great why are there so many reports about how great the warranty service is and how quickly problems were rectified? If they were built right in the first place no one would have any idea how the service was once the initial sale was done until it was time for a new barrel.

To all of you that love your rifle I'm glad you are happy and I hope it provides many years of great service and accuracy but they just aren't for me. If all I wanted it for was long range shooting off the bench or sandbags it would be a fine rifle but I like taking my 338 out hunting and quadding as well as shooting off the bench and to me nothing can touch my DTA when it comes to versatility in a small package. Add to the equation that if I wanted to I could buy different caliber kits and swap the barrels myself in less than one minute. I can also simply remove my barrel when I want to clean the rifle then re-install it myself and the rifle is still zeroed to my scope.
 
Ouch, I can scarcely imagine the thought of swapping parts between precision rifles... it hurts my head to think that people believe that can work... pretty darn big difference between automatic firearms and precision crafted bolt guns.

What do you mean? a gun is a gun... it goes bang, if it doesn't, it goes to the tech

lol

sorry, had to
 
When I was first looking at .50's I was all over the map, posting on here, asking local shops, I hadn't heard of PGW before, I asked a local shop and he said they make amazing guns, lock up like a bank vault and the only thing he can compare them to is a well made Swiss watch. coming from someone I trust, that meant a lot. He also warned me that they have been building guns for years and since they got their government contract that they became snobs and better than everyone else. This might be the impression that Ian got which disjointed his nose because he was feeling inadequate...? I don't know. But with that in mind, I was surprised by the service I got, Ross is great, I wish I had half of that experience at most of the retail stores I go to. :cheers:
 
You can't figure out my name??? Well then you are the only one here who can't lol...

Now that you made your #### a little hard by trash talking your superiors you should get back to spending the 50k you got for your "business" LMAO yet again...


World class machinist eh?? There is one right here, and you just took a very unqualified shot at me. You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to spread second and third hand lies. There is nothing to fix but your horrible attitude and business ethic towards others.

Doesn't matter much though, you just got sucked in by the troll, we're all guilty of it from time to time.

I know you make a good product and I know my buddy is very happy with both of his just like 99% of the rest of your customers. Just like everything on the internet, the negative stories get all the focus because the happy guys are too busy out shooting to come on here and comment.

Some day I may replace my 308 with a Coyote but for now my Savage will do. Maybe if I play with CanuckWR's rifles a couple more times I will have to get one for myself. Wanna trade for a Savage model 10? ;) lol.
 
Doesn't matter much though, you just got sucked in by the troll, we're all guilty of it from time to time.

I know you make a good product and I know my buddy is very happy with both of his just like 99% of the rest of your customers. Just like everything on the internet, the negative stories get all the focus because the happy guys are too busy out shooting to come on here and comment.

Some day I may replace my 308 with a Coyote but for now my Savage will do. Maybe if I play with CanuckWR's rifles a couple more times I will have to get one for myself. Wanna trade for a Savage model 10? ;) lol.

In all fairness, Ian said he could have a world class machinist fix the rifles I build. The Timberwolf and Coyote ARE world class systems, and I machine them so I think I'm allowed to state that fact in the face of someone calling me out.
 
No worries,
Let's get back on topic and forget about that.

Let's see some more pics guys. Rifles and targets with holes close to each other made from long distances.

How about that trade? Sounds good to me ;)
 
Ouch, I can scarcely imagine the thought of swapping parts between precision rifles... it hurts my head to think that people believe that can work... pretty darn big difference between automatic firearms and precision crafted bolt guns.

AI has certainly figured out how to make barrels user replaceable and maintain zero's and a very high degree of accuracy. About the only thing AI does not want the user servicing is the trigger.

Not to add more cruft to a thread but the notion that precision rifles are some sort of black art or magic with only few specific craftsmen is a topic I have an issue with. Precision rifles are engineering with the correct tolerances between parts and assembling a system that works together as a whole. It's not an art, these are factory rifles built to a spec. That spec just happens to have a much higher standard of quality in regards to accuracy and reliability than a larger manufacturers who is more interested in production volume. It simply takes more time to built parts precisely which results in higher cost.

This isn't to discount the achievements of world class manufacturers like PGW and AI but it's not a craft, they spent the time and investment to hone their spec and they're holding themselves to a very high standard of quality.
 
I think the guys who build them would take offence to this actually I know they would.

Spoken like a Engineer or someone who has never built a rifle.


AI has certainly figured out how to make barrels user replaceable and maintain zero's and a very high degree of accuracy. About the only thing AI does not want the user servicing is the trigger.

Not to add more cruft to a thread but the notion that precision rifles are some sort of black art or magic with only few specific craftsmen is a topic I have an issue with. Precision rifles are engineering with the correct tolerances between parts and assembling a system that works together as a whole. It's not an art, these are factory rifles built to a spec. That spec just happens to have a much higher standard of quality in regards to accuracy and reliability than a larger manufacturers who is more interested in production volume. It simply takes more time to built parts precisely which results in higher cost.

This isn't to discount the achievements of world class manufacturers like PGW and AI but it's not a craft, they spent the time and investment to hone their spec and they're holding themselves to a very high standard of quality.
 
I think the guys who build them would take offence to this actually I know they would.

Spoken like a Engineer or someone who has never built a rifle.

I would view it the other way - the ability to repeatably produce a product that has such high degree of precision is a feat of its own. That is what allows these companies to be successful and be renowned as world class. There are many gunsmiths who can put together a rifle but there are few who can do it repeatably and at the volume companies like PGW or AI have and maintain the level of quality that they do. They've designed nearly all of the critical parts in their system and they're able to produce them in the quantities and at the quality they need. That is what separates them from other gunsmiths.
 
I would view it the other way - the ability to repeatably produce a product that has such high degree of precision is a feat of its own. That is what allows these companies to be successful and be renowned as world class. There are many gunsmiths who can put together a rifle but there are few who can do it repeatably and at the volume companies like PGW or AI have and maintain the level of quality that they do. They've designed nearly all of the critical parts in their system and they're able to produce them in the quantities and at the quality they need. That is what separates them from other gunsmiths.

You still need highly skilled individuals assembling the rifles typically a Gunsmith and highly skilled machinist making the parts.

No black magic! But not art/craftsmen I have to argue that, allot of people I work with have these qualities and I work both in a machine shop and production environment.

Yes I fully understand the difference from a custom precision rifle builder and an operation like PGW or AI. I have allot of respect for what Steve; Ross and crew do its a big accomplishment.
 
As an engineer, I must say that I have seen some horror stories on the contractors side of things and them trying to get away with shoddy materials. However there have been times when I have been wrong and most of the time where I do keep my mouth shut and my ears and notebook open to learn.

But I will agree that all engineers do need more hands on experience (but these days no-one will teach you). I have seen some really really technically inept people that have gotten engineering degrees as well as jobs at much more prestigious and dangerous fields of work than I am currently in (HVAC).
 
I believe that PGW has ENGINEERED and FABRICATED a beautiful rifle. The Military just needs a few competent techs to take care of them if something breaks. Or they need to streamline the system to get them back to PGW faster. Having high end precision rigs is a pretty new concept to our Army. Hopefully in time they figure it out.
 
Hoping to have my timberwolf funds ready for early summer. I wanted to get peoples opinion on the A5 vs the folder stock. Pros and cons....pictures are always welcome. I love looking at this rifle in both forms!!!
 
Hoping to have my timberwolf funds ready for early summer. I wanted to get peoples opinion on the A5 vs the folder stock. Pros and cons....pictures are always welcome. I love looking at this rifle in both forms!!!

I will have a T-Wolf detailed review in a couple of weeks. Meanwhile check out my review of the Coyote folding stock which is - essentially - the same. Here it is:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...f-PGW-s-Folding-Stock-Aluminum-Chassis-Coyote
 
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