interested in getting a TIMBERWOLF. anyone have a review?

Hate to say it but I have never had a positive feel with anything from these guys and I know that some DND guys feel the same. I have seen (admittedly) only a few number of these actions and they have all been crap. Actions with the trigger pins in the wrong place and re-drilled, actions that recoiled only on the bolt handle and actions with chips at all the screw holes and tapered barrelled threads.

Never has an action been returned for having the trigger pins in the wrong place, never mind re-drilled, or any of the above errors you mention...tapered barrel threads?? Sounds like some second hand information, or information from an unqualified source with an agenda perhaps? I have a feeling I know where you got this garbage from, and we need not mention it. Point is, we have not had to do any warranty work to remedy any of this issues because they are non-existant.

I have also heard about actions for DND that just did not meet the specs. It's great to buy Canadian but not if it's only a small part Canadian and not at all if it does not do the job. As I am aware the only part Canadian is the action body and I may be wrong and if I am I am sure it will be pointed out!

Again, no actions have been returned from DND for failing to meet specs. The only contentious issue has been the mentality of trying to apply machine gun part swapping ability across a fleet of precision rifles. Again there has been no warranty issues here, and rifles have been in service for 8 years plus in some pretty harsh operational environments. We're like the Maytag repair men here, but according to you we are busy fixing mistakes....again, complete false information.

While I am at it, who on Gods earth would ever do a circular flute on a barrel and expect it to hold any kind of zero??

I did. How much data do you have to back up your 'theory'?? All of the rifles for DND underwent a very strict accuracy test before the rifle could be shipped to them. These tests were laid out by DND, witnessed by a DND Quality Assurance representative, measured and verified by said rep, and all data entered into an Excel worksheet. The requirement was for the rifle to have a 95% hit probability for a fig. 11 target at 1250 meters. The targets were shot at 300 yards, and all of the X Y coordinates fed into the spread sheet. These groups were not shot by a machine in a tunnel with no wind or mirage and a nice 20 degree temp. They were shot at -30C in the wind and snow. They were shot at +30C in the humidity and horse fly infested range with brutal mirage. They were also shot by Ross, the person you seem to have no idea about. After one of these marathon rifle qualification tests, he was admitted into the hospital with a concussion.....That's balls!! And all the rifles still passed!!

So what did that all prove? The rifles had an as fired average accuracy of 97.5%, in real conditions fired by a human. I don't know if you've ever done any shooting, but trying to achieve this kind of a goal for almost 200 rifles was pretty monumental. Of all of the rifles tested, very few had to be re-shot in order to pass, again, challenging conditions. I am trying to remember, but I think only 2-3 needed to have the barrel replaced because it couldn't meet accuracy spec, but we had no control over the barrel quality.

Countless results in shooting competitions across the country, as well as informal shoots in gravel pits and farm fields bear out our long term accuracy claims with the helically fluted barrel. Not to mention the successes of some very brave soldiers in far away lands whose combat effectiveness is unparalleled.

Yet your vast wisdom, and hostile intent behind the keyboard are to be taken as gospel? I've got quite literally THOUSANDS of rifles out there, and no complaints except for you, and you don't even own one of my rifles.

Sorry, not trying to crap on anybody but many of us seem to know better on this forum and just being Canadian is not good enough.

Not trying to crap on anybody?? You sure did, there is no denying it.

It's good enough for the minions to be told this is the best (and it may be better than some have) but to be the best is not that simple.

Insulting my happy customers a 'minions'. I don't tell my customers how good my product is, they tell ME!!! It always makes me smile to get emails from a happy customer, with pictures of them with little itty bitty groups, or the latest trophy they won in a match.


I know a real world class machinist that can fix there errors, not me, although I can have a whack at it if I must, but I will not after this post, not looking for fix-up work!

World class machinist eh?? There is one right here, and you just took a very unqualified shot at me. You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to spread second and third hand lies. There is nothing to fix but your horrible attitude and business ethic towards others.

BTW, my name is Steve, I own PGW with Ross, and I designed the Timberwolf in 2001, and have many happy clients and obviously some very misinformed haters.
 
Wow, the OP asked for reviews and I gave him mine, I guess it only flows one way with you, I have no clue what your name is and I really don't care! I may not hit bottom but sure I bang hell out of the sides and I sure know who my superiors are and you are not one of them! I can add your superiors to this if I need to.

A review would actually imply that you have first hand experience with a product, not spreading bad second hand information.
 
Wow! I guess they can't handle the truth! I do have first hand experience and I did call them and I do know world class guys who fixed their stuff because it would not shoot. Just like on the news, better to shut up and take it then spread the truth with stuff that is not up to spec. As I have said, just giving my opinion on stuff that I have held in my hands as has been asked for.
 
A professional and well articulated response fron Steve. PGW is a class company owned by great people who do great things for our shooting community. Ian Robertson appears to be none of these things.
 
Such a nice gun, I sometimes regret selling mine...

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Tomochan posted some detailed reviews on the coyote a while back. Id imagine everything he said would hold true for the timber wolf as well provided you can shoot .338 and well as you can .308.
 
I recently purchased a LRT-3 50 BMG from PGW and I can say without hesitation being someone with a significant machinist background that they make some really high quality firearms that look flawless, shoot flawless and the service and support after purchasing is the finest I have ever experienced from a company. PGW isn't just about selling rifles, they are about building customer relationships. When I first contacted PGW I wasn't just met by dry computron email responses. Ross called me personally, emailed me and text messaged me at all hours of the day and night to keep me informed of what was going on. Something I have never experienced from any company in Canada in my life.

Thank you PGW for making my purchase a great experience. I really look forward to buying from your fine company again.
 
I would like a .338 and .308 to go along with my .50... I love my LRT-3 and the service I received. I've dealt with Ross and he's a stand up guy, no hesitation about the company or the quality of the product that I bought from them. No idea who this Ian douche is but if he or the OP are out to the Vancouver area they're welcome to fondle my LRT-3 and see how quality it really is and shoot it yourself for accuracy...

Now I just have to save up (or sell a kidney) to complete the trifecta. LoL
 
Steve and Ross what exactly is you shop making now? Its seems that you dont ever have anything in stock!

Brent,

Really?? Are you thinking 10 years ago or something when you last tried to buy from us? Call tomorrow with your CC number and I'm sure whatever it is you are looking for will ship in a few days. Plenty of people on here that have received their rifles within a week of ordering.

We don't rifle the barrel, or make the trigger. We buy the screws and springs and firing pin. Many of the parts listed below, I have available in quantities of ~500 each. So yeah, we have nothing in stock.....

Parts we manufacture:

Receiver
Bolt
Safety shroud
safety lever
bolt handle
scope rail
bedding block
barrel fluting/threading
folding stock forend
folding stock butt
folding stock hinge
hinge latch
adjustable grip mounting block
two piece lock for closed position
cheek piece pillars
magazine body
magazine latch
UNS rails
side rails
muzzle brake
bolt stop
 
I would like a .338 and .308 to go along with my .50... I love my LRT-3 and the service I received. I've dealt with Ross and he's a stand up guy, no hesitation about the company or the quality of the product that I bought from them. No idea who this Ian douche is but if he or the OP are out to the Vancouver area they're welcome to fondle my LRT-3 and see how quality it really is and shoot it yourself for accuracy...

Now I just have to save up (or sell a kidney) to complete the trifecta. LoL
lan is a stand up guy her is on douche I got 3 guns from lan over years I still have them. and keep your kidhey don't sellit
 
lan is a stand up guy her is on douche I got 3 guns from lan over years I still have them. and keep your kidhey don't sellit

Perhaps most of the time he is a stand up guy but not in this instance...He elected to post up unproven and inaccurate information from a friend of his who has plenty of reasons to want to cover his ass and offload blame regarding this matter. In exchange for this he got schooled on a public forum...
 
Brent,

Really?? Are you thinking 10 years ago or something when you last tried to buy from us? Call tomorrow with your CC number and I'm sure whatever it is you are looking for will ship in a few days. Plenty of people on here that have received their rifles within a week of ordering.

We don't rifle the barrel, or make the trigger. We buy the screws and springs and firing pin. Many of the parts listed below, I have available in quantities of ~500 each. So yeah, we have nothing in stock.....

Parts we manufacture:

Receiver
Bolt
Safety shroud
safety lever
bolt handle
scope rail
bedding block
barrel fluting/threading
folding stock forend
folding stock butt
folding stock hinge
hinge latch
adjustable grip mounting block
two piece lock for closed position
cheek piece pillars
magazine body
magazine latch
UNS rails
side rails
muzzle brake
bolt stop

Well Steve
I email Ross a year ago about a Timberwolf actions and he said then that none in stock and he would let me know when they would be. He has not as of yet so I assumed they are still not in stock. Last month I had a brief email exchange with Ross and asked if any Coyotes actions in stock and to quote me a price and he never got back to me. I just assumed you have nothing in stock.

I have bought 5 actions from you. Yes be it 9 years ago. I would maybe buy more if?

There is nothing wrong with a shop doing other things, machines not turning there not earning.

Brent Meyer
 
[h=2]Interested in getting a TIMBERWOLF. anyone have a review?[/h]Seems the question was simple and I didn't know that the only acceptable post had to be totally one sided. The story seems to have changed in regard to what I posted but it is posted above. I told what I knew, I have no skin in the game, I don't sell any hardware and I don't work for anyone who does so I have nothing to loose or gain. As far as accuracy of my statement goes, anyone who knows me knows that the last thing I would do is to BS anyone. You have taken simple statements and have turned them into a personal attack on me, very unprofessional. Wouldn't it have been better to admit you have had problems and hopefully you have gotten past that? For all your friends that have posted on this topic there are very many more that have read it and understand what is going on here. Like I said, every action in question I have held in my hands. I don't know why I or anyone I know would have "plenty of reasons to want to cover his ass and offload blame ", perhaps you can explain why you would say that? What blame? Anyway you can carry on with your rant but I am pretty well done with this, have a nice day in sunny Manitoba.
 
Perhaps most of the time he is a stand up guy but not in this instance...He elected to post up unproven and inaccurate information from a friend of his who has plenty of reasons to want to cover his ass and offload blame regarding this matter. In exchange for this he got schooled on a public forum...

While you were busy "schooling" some one you let your true colours fly.

I contacted you a few years ago and you left me with a negitive impression of the company.

If I had contacted Steve I bet that I would have one of your rifles by now.
 
Ian that seems to be more of a rant than a review. Can you please provide pictures of the "problems" you have identified? I am presently working with the Titanium action at 1000 yards with a long version of the spiral fluted barrel and initial results are excellent. Yesterday the Manitoba provincials were also won with my long time shooting buddies titanium actioned rifle and he has only been shooting it for a week.

I am not experiencing any of the problems you have identified in the Titanium or the stock Coyote I own. In addition help from Ross and Steve has been excellent and they have been extremely supportive of our sport or as my wife says "bad habit".

I am not a gunsmith nor do I pretend or want to be one. My time is spent on trigger time with equipment that I can count on to be precise. I have that equipment and I know the only problem is behind the trigger.
 
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Tomochan posted some detailed reviews on the coyote a while back. Id imagine everything he said would hold true for the timber wolf as well provided you can shoot .338 and well as you can .308.

I've reviewed a couple of Coyotes (McMillian stocked and aluminum folding stocked ) and, without going back for a re-read of what I penned, I can recall only one thing I did not like and that was a rattling mag on the McMillian - which I never found on several others so perhaps that old review should be edited.

Now a comment about accuracy: In each Coyote I have shot accuracy is consistent half-MOA or better. See the various challenges posted here and I think you will see some Coyotes feature in the winning circles ( though, perhaps ironically given this thread, I had to use my Barnard in an Ian Robertson stock ! ). PGW products also did very well at this years F-Class Westerns IIRC

Besides Coyotes, I also owned a very fine F/TR rig built on an older PGW single-shot action. A very fine piece that was every bit the equal of my RPA.

As for service, here is a small example: a couple of years ago I'd lost a thread protector, contacted Ross and in the chit-chat mentioned I would be at SHOT. Well Ross said he would put the item in his pocket and give me a shout in Vegas. True to his word he took time out of his day to track me down and give me this $5 item -best part of this story: I'd bought the PGW in question used and Ross was aware of that fact !!

Of course, I don't know Ian Robertson but I've heard he is a prominent personage in the shooting sports and, famously, used to own Robertson Composites which was the maker of some very fine stocks but is now, regrettably, out of business. I also know that he is the poster who denigrated some very fine shooting that was reported on here some months ago - an action on his part that I thought to be in poor taste.

Now what has this to do with the Timberwolf ? Well, not a lot except 1. companies that make one excellent product (Coyote) can usually make another and 2. An owner of a company that takes time to drop of a $5 part to a guy who bought one of his products the EE is likely to look after someone spending $7K or so on a brand new rifle don't you think ?

Finally, as if it was not clear, I would have no hesitation whatsoever spending money with PGW. After reading Ian Robertson's malicious and spiteful comments I cannot say I would spend money on his products again - even though they were exceptionally fine - as I really dislike giving money to businesses or people who seem to be so embittered and negative - perhaps therein lies the reason he isn't in business anymore.
 
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