So, I just had an interesting conversation with the Canadian Firearms Centre......apparently our C-42 LTATT that is attached to our PAL is NOT valid for IPSC, IDPA, SCCA, SASS or any of the other acronym competitions. According to the gentleman I was speaking with the C-42 covers our transportation to and from the range for target practice, but NOT for competition. I now have a separate paper LTATT that covers all IPSC competitions in Alberta and Manitoba. On the plus side, he said he was going to send emails requesting clarification as to why I can go to a range on Friday to practice, but not go to the same range on Saturday/Sunday to compete. LET'S FLOOD THEM WITH LTATT REQUESTS!!!!!
Interesting Conversation with CFC
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someone is confused
That's hilarious.
On a related note, I just realized my LTATT authorizes me to transport all of my firearms that are "registered to the licence holder within their province of residence" (Alberta), "to and from ALL shooting clubs and ranges approved under section 29 of the Firearms act" (anywhere in the country).
And so long as I do some target shooting before, after or during the competition I would not worry about having another piece of paper to attend SASS etc.
On a related note, I just realized my LTATT authorizes me to transport all of my firearms that are "registered to the licence holder within their province of residence" (Alberta), "to and from ALL shooting clubs and ranges approved under section 29 of the Firearms act" (anywhere in the country).
And so long as I do some target shooting before, after or during the competition I would not worry about having another piece of paper to attend SASS etc.
This misinformation came from the CFC - the Canadian Firearms Center - in Miramichi?
Or your provincial Chief Firearms Office/Chief Firearms Officer in Edmonton?
Or did the janitor answer the phone?
Did you happen to get a name?
This came from the CFC in Miramichi.
Yes, I did get a name, but I won't post it here.
Who do you believe, an internet forum, or the Government agents in charge of disseminating the information? I'm not taking any risks personally.
They aren’t known for their knowledge on firearms law. Shoot one round before and after the event, you’re covered (not necessary but if it makes the OP feel better). Why make it harder then it is? Call each provincial CFO and you will get a different answer every time.
do you not shoot at targets (target shooting) during your event?
The competition aspect is immaterial to the fact that you are at a CFO approved ranger shooting targets - a.k.a. target shooting. the telephone answerer at the CFC does not understand what happens at a range I guess... 
I'll bet if you phone back now and ask the same question to a different telephone agent/operator, you will get a completely different answer; and probably a different one still if you call a third time...
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do you not shoot at targets (target shooting) during your event? the competition aspect is immaterial to the fact that you are at a CFO approved ranger shooting targets - a.k.a. target shooting. the telephone answerer at the CFC does not understand what happens at a range I guess...
I'll bet if you phone back now and ask the same question to a different telephone agent/operator, you will get a completely different answer; and probably a different one still if you call a third time...
This would be my take too.
Competition IS target shooting. It's more organized and dynamic than going to the range and sitting at a bench, but it's still the same activity.
And further to the conversation.....I just spoke with the CFO Office. Bill C-42 amended the Firearms Act and therefore supersedes it. Bill C-42 makes no mention of competition shooting and as such a LTATT for IPSC competitions must be acquired. Your PAL does not cover the travel to and from the competition. I now have a separate LTATT that covers Manitoba through BC just for IPSC Competition.
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Do you really think an officer of the law is going to charge you with a crime or seize your guns because you don't have a separate LTATT for competition vs practice? They're probably less likely to hassle you on the way to an organized event vs target practice at a distant range or travelling to a border croasing/airport. They're just as confused about the law as gun owners and the janitor at the CFC. Just act reasonable with regard to the law as written and don't worry about it.
You don’t seem to understand that bill C-42 attaches conditions to your license, one of those conditions is target shooting. I don’t know what you do but in competitions I’ve entered I shoot targets.
hmmmm... I don't recall seeing the firearms act stating that target shooting and competition target shooting are distinctly different activities, thus requiring different permissions. This is simply an example of the CFC/ CFOs trying to make up their own rules just to keep themselves busy. maybe it is part of the liberal government's job creation program?
To take this logic even further: 100% of the shots fired out of each of my guns is target shooting. Regardless of what I'm shooting at: that is my target.
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p.s. It does occur to me that if I ever DO have an accidental discharge: then THAT would be illegal, as I would not technically have had a target in mind for that shot.
