Interesting Conversation with CFC

Dave_G said:
I was joking - but if you were charged with a criminal offence the benefit of the doubt on the interpretation of a sentence on a piece of paper authorizing you to commit what would otherwise be a crime would go to the benefit of the accused.

This is why so much of our firearms law is garbage - what is a variant of a prohibited firearm, etc. etc..
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I'd better sharpen up my sarcasm filter ;-)

In AB wifey & I used to get an AB / SK / MB LTATT just for the asking. But for the most recent one we had to declare our alternate residence in MB etc. so your post caught my eye.
 
As received by a fellow Alberta IPSC Shooter.....the confusion/differing opinions among the powers that be is amazing.

"Thank you for your email.

You are correct, C-42 conditions cover gun shows within the client's province and competition shooting at a CFO approved range within their province. When clients want to attend gun shows or competitions and do not have C-42 conditions on their licence, they require a STATT for these events, whether it is within the province or out of province.

IPSC, Cowboy Mounted and Cowboy Action are entirely different - they DO require STATTs to attend.

If you still require further clarification, please contact the office at 1 800 731 4000 ext 9026.

Thank you,
Holly


RCMP | GRC
Canadian Firearms Program | Programme canadien des armes à feu
CFO Services Unit | Unité des services CAF
Call us TOLL FREE - 1-800-731-4000│Appellez-nous SANS FRAIS -
1-800-731-4000
Fax number - 1-888-895-9955 | Numéro de télécopieur - 1-888-895-9955"
 
sully015 said:
As received by a fellow Alberta IPSC Shooter.....the confusion/differing opinions among the powers that be is amazing.

"Thank you for your email.

You are correct, C-42 conditions cover gun shows within the client's province and competition shooting at a CFO approved range within their province. When clients want to attend gun shows or competitions and do not have C-42 conditions on their licence, they require a STATT for these events, whether it is within the province or out of province.

IPSC, Cowboy Mounted and Cowboy Action are entirely different - they DO require STATTs to attend.

If you still require further clarification, please contact the office at 1 800 731 4000 ext 9026.

Thank you,
Holly


RCMP | GRC
Canadian Firearms Program | Programme canadien des armes à feu
CFO Services Unit | Unité des services CAF
Call us TOLL FREE - 1-800-731-4000│Appellez-nous SANS FRAIS -
1-800-731-4000
Fax number - 1-888-895-9955 | Numéro de télécopieur - 1-888-895-9955"
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Can someone explain how the two bolded areas are different? Is IPSC no longer competitive? Are cowboys just shooting randomly with no scoring or targets?

I want a job at the CFP, doesn’t seem like you need to know anything about the industry you’re working with.
 
I believe that Holly person is the same one that came up with the edict that you couldn't sleep over at a range in an RV unit with your restricted guns...from what I understand she got her PP slaped for starting a $hit storm that didn't need starting...this/her latest appears to be under the same incredibly stupid notion that she actually knows something.
 
sully015 said:
So, I just had an interesting conversation with the Canadian Firearms Centre......apparently our C-42 LTATT that is attached to our PAL is NOT valid for IPSC, IDPA, SCCA, SASS or any of the other acronym competitions. According to the gentleman I was speaking with the C-42 covers our transportation to and from the range for target practice, but NOT for competition. I now have a separate paper LTATT that covers all IPSC competitions in Alberta and Manitoba. On the plus side, he said he was going to send emails requesting clarification as to why I can go to a range on Friday to practice, but not go to the same range on Saturday/Sunday to compete. LET'S FLOOD THEM WITH LTATT REQUESTS!!!!!
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Buddy, you're trying way too damn hard.
 
the point everyone is missing is "within their province of residence" so if you live in Alberta and wish to compete or go to a section 29 range in any other province you will require a STATT. Each province has slightly different rules that still meet the requirements of both the CCC and CFA and must not only might those requirements but can exceed them (hence Quebec with it's own firearms registration).
 
srdiver said:
the point everyone is missing is "within their province of residence" so if you live in Alberta and wish to compete or go to a section 29 range in any other province you will require a STATT. Each province has slightly different rules that still meet the requirements of both the CCC and CFA and must not only might those requirements but can exceed them (hence Quebec with it's own firearms registration).
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The point that people are missing is that the folks at the Canadian Firearms Program doesn't have a frigging clue about the law, and that gun owners are rarely charged or convicted of any paper crimes, and yet they continue to call the Canadian Firearms Program in droves and ask for legal opinions and then bend themselves out of shape trying to comply with the nonsense.

Read the law. Follow the law. Don't over think it. Let the CFP rot. Breath deep and joy the fresh air. Life is good.

I once had the honour of meeting one of the SFSS technicians who looked me in the eye and stated matter of factly that 80% receivers were obviously prohibited under the law, without any hint of irony, malice, or awareness that what he had stated is in fact a highly contested opinion. Only a handful of times in my life have I had what seemed to be an otherwise intelligent person look me in the eye and so casually and sincerely state something that was so completely bogus. All of the others were literally wild eyed religious fanatics. The more I think about that conversation, the more difficult a time I have making a meaningful distinction between him and the others.

And this guy is the 'expert' that the rest of the CFP yup-yups look up to. That was the day any pretense of credibility with the CFP was lost for me.

But you want proof they don't have a clue???

sully015 said:
So, I just had an interesting conversation with the Canadian Firearms Centre......apparently our C-42 LTATT that is attached to our PAL is NOT valid for IPSC, IDPA, SCCA, SASS or any of the other acronym competitions. According to the gentleman I was speaking with the C-42 covers our transportation to and from the range for target practice, but NOT for competition.
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sully015 said:
As received by a fellow Alberta IPSC Shooter.....the confusion/differing opinions among the powers that be is amazing.

"Thank you for your email.

You are correct, C-42 conditions cover gun shows within the client's province and competition shooting at a CFO approved range within their province. When clients want to attend gun shows or competitions and do not have C-42 conditions on their licence, they require a STATT for these events, whether it is within the province or out of province.

IPSC, Cowboy Mounted and Cowboy Action are entirely different - they DO require STATTs to attend.

If you still require further clarification, please contact the office at 1 800 731 4000 ext 9026.

Thank you,
Holly
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This is about the 1000th example of nonsense answers and guidance from the CFP in the last five years, and still gun owners are calling them to clarify things for themselves. Its only Monday. I am sure we will have a few more examples before the week is over.

The irony is that every time we call them, we legitimize their existence.
 
Cameron SS said:
The point that people are missing is that the folks at the Canadian Firearms Program doesn't have a frigging clue about the law, and that gun owners are rarely charged or convicted of any paper crimes, and yet they continue to call the Canadian Firearms Program in droves and ask for legal opinions and then bend themselves out of shape trying to comply with the nonsense.

Read the law. Follow the law. Don't over think it. Let the CFP rot. Breath deep and joy the fresh air. Life is good.

I once had the honour of meeting one of the SFSS technicians who looked me in the eye and stated matter of factly that 80% receivers were obviously prohibited under the law, without any hint of irony, malice, or awareness that what he had stated is in fact a highly contested opinion. Only a handful of times in my life have I had what seemed to be an otherwise intelligent person look me in the eye and so casually and sincerely state something that was so completely bogus. All of the others were literally wild eyed religious fanatics. The more I think about that conversation, the more difficult a time I have making a meaningful distinction between him and the others.

And this guy is the 'expert' that the rest of the CFP yup-yups look up to. That was the day any pretense of credibility with the CFP was lost for me.

But you want proof they don't have a clue???





This is about the 1000th example of nonsense answers and guidance from the CFP in the last five years, and still gun owners are calling them to clarify things for themselves. Its only Monday. I am sure we will have a few more examples before the week is over.

The irony is that every time we call them, we legitimize their existence.
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Well said sir :cheers:
 
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