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7.62mm said:
So say there is a Club that has 30 or so active shooters. Lets also say they have a Range time of 7 PM to 10 PM. They want to hold a level one match on that night. Now say the Sign up was Open to all IPSC members. Now not everyone that belongs to that club checks emails daily, or even weekly. Now say 10 Club members are able to sign up for the Match, the rest of the 20 slots are taken by Non-Members, because they watch their emails daily etc. etc. and are able to sign up before the Club Members.

What do you tell the Other 20 Club members? They would like to shoot the match, but weren't able to get a slot. Doesn't seem very fair to me. I mean, we would basically be taking dedicated Range time away from Paying members, I know if I was one of the ones not able to get a slot, I would be steaming mad!
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Simple. Don't make it a sanctioned IPSC match, then you can do whatever you want.

Two of my home clubs are running non-sanctioned club matches every week (4pm to 11pm). Those are also open to non-member shooters. There is usually 20 to 40 people participating in those matches. Unfortunately, like I already mentioned, most of those participants are not interested in shooting ICS stages.
 
At that point you might as well make it a USPSA club match, use the better targets, more sensible divisions and rules and perhaps we would see better stage design than what we typically see around here.
Just sayin'
 
PH Racing said:
At that point you might as well make it a USPSA club match, use the better targets, more sensible divisions and rules and perhaps we would see better stage design than what we typically see around here.
Just sayin'
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You forgot the smiley face...

Otherwise members may think one of the Board of Directors for IPSC Ontario is putting his effort into supporting USPSA...and not to the position he was elected to (or in this case acclaimed to).

...and here is the obligatory winky face so I can claim I was only kidding if someone decides to take offence...;)
 
7.62mm said:
Wow, first person I have ever heard promoting having fewer IPSC Matches.
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far be it from me to go out of my way to agree with Eugene :D but...if it's not completely open (all members at the same time) it's not really an IPSC match is it :confused:

Probably not a huge issue for ICS stages, because they are compared to an existing baseline of results...but it would make any other match Club Level...

If selling out the slots too fast is an issue (nice problem top have by the way) Charge more...add a few more squads...
 
Those are my personal views and I won't hide them just because I am on the board. I don't play the political game that well. I'm a trigger puller not a politician.
I am a USPSA member and think they do a lot of things right and I believe we might be better off if we followed suit on some things. I've never made a secret of that. I am also open to hearing what our members want. I should be representing what our members want to IPSC, not what IPSC wants to our members. Anyone can feel free to email me and tell me their thoughts on what they want.
 
PH Racing said:
I don't play the political game that well. .
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It's not a political game Pat...not even close. The BOD is in place to represent and promote IPSC in Ontario. Not an overly complicated concept.

If you feel there are improvements to be made...you're in a position to bring them forward to better and improve the organisation (and members) that you represent...but that's not what you just did is it...

...and from the "Communications" Director no less. How ironic...
 
Well last time I checked I am entitled to my own opinion....
but since you bring it up.
I was elected, well acclaimed, by the members of IPSC Ontario to represent them, not selected by IPSC Canada or IPSC world body to pass down proclamations.

From the constitution as it is currently written:

10. The directors shall promote the objects and the principles of the corporation.

8. The objects of the corporation shall be:
a. To promote the sport of practical shooting in Ontario;

Now it says the board must promote the sport of practical shooting, which I do and have always done. USPSA is a member of IPSC and represents practical shooting too isn't it? So if I like something they do why can I not promote that?
Secondly, I do feel there are improvements to be made, but I can hardly just go to meetings, pass on my own personal ideas and demand they be done my way. I have strong opinions, but they are mine. I need to know what the members want, if we can't discuss it, how do we find out, or do we just make up our own minds of how it should be and pass that off as representing the members? Is it not better if it is brought up for discussion so that I can find out what the members want and take that to the BoD? Is that not what the members want? For their voices to be heard? Or should I just tell them how its going to be?
 
PH Racing said:
Well last time I checked I am entitled to my own opinion....
but since you bring it up.
I was elected, well acclaimed, by the members of IPSC Ontario to represent them, not selected by IPSC Canada or IPSC world body to pass down proclamations.

From the constitution as it is currently written:

10. The directors shall promote the objects and the principles of the corporation.

8. The objects of the corporation shall be:
a. To promote the sport of practical shooting in Ontario;

Now it says the board must promote the sport of practical shooting, which I do and have always done. USPSA is a member of IPSC and represents practical shooting too isn't it? So if I like something they do why can I not promote that?
Secondly, I do feel there are improvements to be made, but I can hardly just go to meetings, pass on my own personal ideas and demand they be done my way. I have strong opinions, but they are mine. I need to know what the members want, if we can't discuss it, how do we find out, or do we just make up our own minds of how it should be and pass that off as representing the members? Is it not better if it is brought up for discussion so that I can find out what the members want and take that to the BoD? Is that not what the members want? For their voices to be heard? Or should I just tell them how its going to be?
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Quoting the constitution...and trying to word smith your post into somehow being pro IPSC...:confused:

Funny...you sound like a politician to me :cool:
 
...and don't get me wrong Pat. You're volunteering your time...which is more than 75% of our members do. But with authority comes responsibility (and vice versa) and your are responsible to the members of IPSC Ontario...
 
Quigley said:
Quoting the constitution...and trying to word smith your post into somehow being pro IPSC...:confused:

Funny...you sound like a politician to me :cool:
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I am Pro IPSC, always have been, that doesn't mean I have to tow the party line, maybe that has been our problem in the past...
 
Quigley said:
...and don't get me wrong Pat. You're volunteering your time...which is more than 75% of our members do. But with authority comes responsibility (and vice versa) and your are responsible to the members of IPSC Ontario...
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Yup, I am, doesn't mean I can't speak my mind.
 
Quigley said:
far be it from me to go out of my way to agree with Eugene :D but...if it's not completely open (all members at the same time) it's not really an IPSC match is it :confused:

Probably not a huge issue for ICS stages, because they are compared to an existing baseline of results...but it would make any other match Club Level...

If selling out the slots too fast is an issue (nice problem top have by the way) Charge more...add a few more squads...
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Well, giving my example above, the club only has the range time of 7 - 10 PM.....pretty hard to add more squads, unless we reduce the round count...IPSC already mandates a Minimum Round count, so they are pooched there!

Also, lets say this club has members that don't shoot any other matches, only the Lvl 1 matches offered at the club. Would IPSC be comfortable with losing members, to cater to people that are outside of the actual Club's Membership.

It hardly seems fair to me that outside IPSC members can flood the signup, then the day before decide to remove themselves from the Match, when a member of the Club would have/could have attended. Remember, these are Lvl one matches only, I am not talking about Lvl 2 matches. And charging more is not likely to happen. This hypothetical Club, is not interested in gouging IPSC members for Match Fees!
 
The round count limits, as far as minimums for matches, is a recommendation not mandatory. A level 1 carries only the recommendation of 2 stages and 28 rounds. If it was only 1 stage and 20 rounds I doubt you'd have an issue. Same goes for level II matches. If you had 65 rounds and 4 stages I don't see that as a big deal, as opposed to the recommended 5 stages and 75 rounds. I think we tend to put way too much emphasis on round counts in this province instead of quality, fun stages.
For sign ups you can try what WNYPPL does and have sign up at the previous match. That way the people signing up are more likely the ones that actually show up.
 
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