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Fixed it for ya! in bold
BB is for IPSC and IPSC only!
Serious about competing? really?!?!
I have competed at the national level against IPSC, IDPA, Peel Regional SWAT, RCMP, US Navy marksmanship team, Netherlands Pistol team, British Army, Navy, Airforce pistol teams not to mentions some of the best pistol shooters the Canadian Armed Forces produced and no one needed a goofy BB!!
Go tell these dudes they are not serious about competitive shooting!!
I don't know you from a hole in the wall... or maybe I do but either way... come out and show us how it's done. You list quite the resume. I am pretty sure with that you can come show us how well you shoot. I know Euxx and see how well he shoots, even though he is very humble about his shooting. Put your money where your mouth is.
Even more interesting is that fact that a number of those organizations you listed use IPSC shooters/instructors to teach them how to shoot. I'm pretty sure that the Peel team used a BB instructor extensively to prepare for the last national competition.
I'm sure with the way you type on your keyboard you can show us all how it's done at the range. Next weekend, Silverdale, I'll put you on a squad and bet you a grand that you don't beat everybody in the squad I put you on.
OK just because I have nothing better to do I am going to respond to this too...
This makes sense because the BB course is a standardized course to teach people how to safely use a holster and how to shoot safely, accurately and rapidly.
Why would the BB do that? IPSC is a game, not a self defense organization. But yes, they do teach shooting from behind and around barricades. Why would a game teach how to take cover? I don't know, our targets are paper, they don't shoot back.
So you say you have extensive holster training... from reputable trainers... that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. If a range is going to accept someone with their BB it's most likely because the BB course is a standardized course that is for the most part taught the same and teaches the competencies needed to be safe.
Let it be known that the person who shot himself in the foot while not safely using a holster was under the direct supervision of a group of people who claim to be military/ex-military/special forces and all that other jazz. These are the guys who are light years ahead of IPSC and other shooting organizations right?
As for the money grab part, this really makes me laugh. Let me know of all the BB instructors you know who are sole decision makers at an their club. This thread was started because of the fellow who shot himself in the foot. I know for a fact that other than the rental fee the range, Silverdale has no financial gain by doing this. What they have by doing this is a better shot at not getting shutdown because some military/ex-military/special forces cowboys are no longer able to sweep everybody with their firearms or shoot themselves in the foot.
This makes sense because the BB course is a standardized course to teach people how to safely use a holster and how to shoot safely, accurately and rapidly.
Why would the BB do that? IPSC is a game, not a self defense organization. But yes, they do teach shooting from behind and around barricades. Why would a game teach how to take cover? I don't know, our targets are paper, they don't shoot back.
So you say you have extensive holster training... from reputable trainers... that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. If a range is going to accept someone with their BB it's most likely because the BB course is a standardized course that is for the most part taught the same and teaches the competencies needed to be safe.
Let it be known that the person who shot himself in the foot while not safely using a holster was under the direct supervision of a group of people who claim to be military/ex-military/special forces and all that other jazz. These are the guys who are light years ahead of IPSC and other shooting organizations right?
As for the money grab part, this really makes me laugh. Let me know of all the BB instructors you know who are sole decision makers at an their club. This thread was started because of the fellow who shot himself in the foot. I know for a fact that other than the rental fee the range, Silverdale has no financial gain by doing this. What they have by doing this is a better shot at not getting shutdown because some military/ex-military/special forces cowboys are no longer able to sweep everybody with their firearms or shoot themselves in the foot.
I'd bet more but I wouldn't want to bankrupt the guy.
Well...he did only indicate he "competed"...he didn't say "how well" he competed...so he may not be able to beat everyone you put him up against...still, he must be pretty good for the company he indicates he competes with.
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if its not a money grab why doesn't ipsc Canada allow to teach the black badge and waive the membership fee for those that are not competing in ipsc, but are only doing the course for holster certification, they could also skip half of each day where they go over rules and such.
I'm pretty sure it's because IPSC isn't in this to "provide a holster qualification for general use". The BB course is the entrance to playing the game that IPSC is. If other clubs or organizations recognize the BB as a holster qualification that is their prerogative. I think the fact that pretty much every organization and group out there recognizes the BB as a holster qualification speaks volumes for how good it is.
My suggestion for everyone who thinks this is ridiculous and denouncing IPSC and the BB course... start your own standardized holster training and have it recognized by every other organization/discipline/club. It's simple isn't it?
I challenged my rpal why shouldn't I be able to challenge black badge? why do I need to spend 300 on ammo 250 on a course, when the test is open book? 2 days off work and 80 in gas to be holster qualified? im an uspsa member and it cost me $50 and im allowed to shoot ipsc anywhere in the world. apperantly mr Hansen the director of ipsc Canada doesn't want uspsa members to shoot in his ipsc matches so ive asked the nra and uspsa to review the matter. NRA will not be happy knowing that uspsa members are allowed to shoot anywhere in the world in ipsc except for Canada. why does Canada think its so special? little kids shoot from holster in the states and they shoot full auto but somehow a group of people in Canada have decided that were too stupid to have a gun in a holster well for the exemption of abbotsford fish and game that is. I seriously need to pay 700 dollars in cost t shoot from my holster, are you freaking retarded ? look at the world ipsc rankings, where the fu.. is Canada production nick king 115th ,open Michael lam 184th,standard drolet is 19th that's not bad but seriously americans rule ipsc, they rule uspsa, and idpa. ipsc was created in the united states of America where a child can have a holstered gun. why do I need to pay 700 dollars with all costs and lose 2 days of work to have a holstered firearm and take a open book testtttttttttttttttt????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Wow... you're an infraction waiting to happen. Your RPAL is a gov't license. The BB is a requirement to play a game. Don't want to do the BB course? Don't play the game. You do realize that completing the shooting excersizes is all part of the BB test right? It's not just an open book test.
You're telling me that even though an IPSC membership is required to shoot IPSC matches, you being a member of USPSA exempts you from the IPSC rules? That's funny, you seem to think the the NRA, who don't deal outside of the USA and USPSA which is an IPSC spin off govern IPSC?
Here's the deal because you clearly don't have a clue about any of this. You must be an IPSC member to compete in IPSC matches (with a small exception for level 1). If you are an IPSC member and you are outside of your section, you need the blessing of someone in your section as proof of your safety to provide to the MD outside of your section. The IPSC rules are international, feel free to read them and show me where it says that USPSA members can shoot.
You asked me if I am retarded but really, who is the world IPSC champion? You said USA rules IPSC... Let's hear it? and now for me being really freaking retarded... USA rules USPSA. ummmm ya. You are about as sharp as a marble.
Where are you on the standings list? You are saying Canada sucks? We have crappy shooters? but really, where are you? If you like the USA so much feel free to move, we won't miss you. Give your parents my condolences for having you as their child, it must have been tough taking you to all the appointments.
http://www.custersportsmensclub.com/training.html#IPSC
scroll down to ipsc safety 2-4 hours 200 rounds and 75 dollars , or you can do a safety check and run with an ro for the first 3 runs and he will sign away. that course also does tac rifle and concealed carry safety course for 75 dollars and here they say 250 2 days off work and gas and food and 500 rnds of ammo. can you say unfair? o ya and it doesn't include concealed carry obviously lol
scroll down to ipsc safety 2-4 hours 200 rounds and 75 dollars , or you can do a safety check and run with an ro for the first 3 runs and he will sign away. that course also does tac rifle and concealed carry safety course for 75 dollars and here they say 250 2 days off work and gas and food and 500 rnds of ammo. can you say unfair? o ya and it doesn't include concealed carry obviously lol
buddy... here's the answer... don't shoot IPSC. You only need to do you BB if you want to be a member of IPSC and shoot IPSC matches. Go shoot IDPA or USPSA, it's really that simple.
Works kind of like wanting to go race NHRA, but saying that being part of your local car club exempts you from having to follow NHRA rules.
Breathe deep and think about it, nobody is forcing you to do the BB course. If you want to shoot IPSC matches, you need to be a member. If you *want* to be a member, do the BB course. Now go away, you don't make sense.
How many IPSC matches have you shot in Canada this year? USPSA can say whatever they want, show me in the IPSC rulebook where it says that.
Let us know how all this stuff works out for you. I'll be seeing Mr. Hansen in a few weeks, we'll laugh about you.
I'll give you a link where coreyd says coreyd he can take hek76's money. Does me saying I can do what I want with your money make it so? You show me where in the IPSC rulebook it allows non-IPSC members to shoot matches.
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