Ipsc classic - minor vs major

I shot a revolver for awhile now.
The 2 rounds will not be beaten.
Serious top shooters simply will not give up many scoring points in either minor or major and the advantage of doing less reloads and or picking better places to do them will outweigh any power advantage.
Time will be the judge
 
SVISTI1911 said:
I think this will depend more on the shooter's ability then the stage design as course design wants no more then 9 rounds visible from any one position.
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I haven't memorized the new rule book yet but last I recall course design dictated that a shooter couldn't be forced to take more than 9 rounds from one location.
 
RUPZUK said:
I haven't memorized the new rule book yet but last I recall course design dictated that a shooter couldn't be forced to take more than 9 rounds from one location.
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Not a new rule. It has just been added to Short COF now that they can be 12 rounds. It has always been a requirement for Medium and Long COF's see section 1.2.

Regardless, if you shoot 9 at a array that would leave you dry for any other arrays of 8 or 9 shots putting you at a disadvantage, at the very least because of a extra reload you may have to do.
 
I wasn't trying to split the thread or wade into off topic but;
1.2.1 (1,2& 3) all clearly state "course design and construction must not require more than 9 scoring hits from any single location or view"
1.2.1 (2 & 3) further clarify " nor allow a competitor to shoot all targets in the course of fire from any single location or view"
The rule is constructed to create movement, but still give the designer/range some ability to create a COF (IMO).
As I read it, you could be in a short COF (12 rounds) and from the shooting area "see" all targets but nothing is "requiring" you to engage all targets from one location- you can (and should) move to a more advantagous location. This concept plays out in medium and large as well depending on COF design as I see it.
I've seen various points of view on this from a variety of experienced competitors but I believe the written rule is pretty clear.
Perhaps I'm wrong...
I agree with you on the round count though, minor will take it.
 
All things being equal major is better than minor, but all things are not equal. With 8 round magazines you are going to be doing a lot of flat-footed reloads in major. Figure a minimum of +2 seconds for every time you have to plant and reload to shoot a 10 round array. That's reload time and set-up/exit time combined and I'm being gracious with 2 seconds; it's going to be closer to 3 seconds for most. So if you're competing in a 10 round country like Canada, minor with ten rounds makes the most sense. It'll be a long time before stage design philosophy catches up (if ever) with Classic Division.
 
relliott said:
All things being equal major is better than minor, but all things are not equal. With 8 round magazines you are going to be doing a lot of flat-footed reloads in major. Figure a minimum of +2 seconds for every time you have to plant and reload to shoot a 10 round array. That's reload time and set-up/exit time combined and I'm being gracious with 2 seconds; it's going to be closer to 3 seconds for most. So if you're competing in a 10 round country like Canada, minor with ten rounds makes the most sense. It'll be a long time before stage design philosophy catches up (if ever) with Classic Division.
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True, but as others mentioned herein, only the top shooters will benefit.. top guns can use a desert eagle and still win.. most of the ipsc shooters are not of the elite and drop many points in larger matches (level 2-3)(25 - 100+ points down, depending on size of match).. so how many seconds down make up for the points lost if minor ? it's really hard to say.
A few years back, just when the dissalllowed the 10 rnd SS mags, I chose to go with aa borrowed sti D/S gun for the provincials over my .45... and after match was over.. I actually shot o.k. with borrowed equipment, but review of the stages after all done... half the match I could of shot my .45 with out much difference, due to stage design.. and half the 10 rnds were a benifit...
If had used my .45, would be major, but if i was minor, then it'll hurt my brain to have calculated projected outcome of such... haha...

+2 rnds come in handy, period, even if stage design is 8 rnd friendly (making up miss or penalty, etc..)... shooter ability is also major factor on which to choose.
and it is more common to have stage designs these days where there's not all 5 targets in one port...allowing for mag changes in between...
I guess, one would have to have both guns and flip flop using each at matches to see the outcomes, to know for sure...
Anyways, lets have fun shootin & trying to figure it out.. :D
 
Barring a CD only match no one is going design an entire match for SS anymore than they do for revolver. You will see the odd stage, usually contributed by a designer with a particular equipment bias :) , but for the most part matches are built around SD/Open guns.

So shoot whatever you like and give 'er.

I am with Stonehorse here...I am shooting with a STI Trogan 9mm. I shot it all last year in SD and did okay. Worst finish was middle of the pack and even managed to win a few local matches here in northern B.C.

Would major help me?

Don't know.....don't care.

Shooting 9mm 10rounds every match I know what I have each and every time. No bs switching between minor/major - 8rounds/10rounds....that is just a recipe for frustration as far as I am concerned.

The single biggest advantage of 9mm for me is the cost. I can afford to shoot my 9 as much as I want to for practise. This may not be a factor for some but for me the affordability of 9mm is an advantage....every bit as important as any perceived advantage with the 10round capacity.

So, in my opinion, pick a gun you like: pick the cartridge you like and go for it.

Have fun and we can all say "I told you so!" at the end of the year :)

John
 
I like major because it forces you to paymore attention since there is less room for error. I can shoot minor if the match is setup for minor guns if need be. Haven't ran into that yet
 
John in B.C. said:
Barring a CD only match no one is going design an entire match for SS anymore than they do for revolver. You will see the odd stage, usually contributed by a designer with a particular equipment bias :) , but for the most part matches are built around SD/Open guns.
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I design all my matches so that neither Classic or revolver are forced to do flat footed reloads.
 
interesting to note the results of the USPSA Single stack Nationals. THe winner was shooting a .40. (Nils )hmmmm
 
Lol...I'm not sure it would have mattered what caliber Nils was shooting....
Last year it was won by a .45 and the year before by a .40
The Single Stack Nationals have courses of fire that adhere to the Single Stack Society rules which means max. round count of 24 on any stage (based on the max. ammo in a standard carry load of a loaded 8 round gun and two full spare mags) and by USPSA rules no more that 8 shots from any position.
http://www.USPSA.org/uspsa-display-match-results-detail.php?indx=4591&action=stages
You'll notice that only 5 of the stages were over 20 rounds and only one at the max of 24. This is significantly different from what you'll see in a typical IPSC match (especially in Canada) where most speed shoots seem to be 9 rounds, there's a max of 9 rounds from each position and almost all field courses are set to the max round count of 32 rounds. This gives the advantage to a 10 round gun.
 
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