tritium said:Dansy said:Big world from a very small BOY.....be carefull
Watch it chubby!!!!
Where the heck have you been anyway?
Being call chubby by a skin and bone little one is almost a compliment thank you...
I still live in NS, the project I was working in Montreal ...is now here so lot less traveling for me, it's closed to the end.....
IPSC getting started
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quigley wrote:
Couldn't find a booster seat that would fit in an OPP Cruiser ??
HAHAHA , That was a good one, sorry Tritium, had to laugh at that one.
Storm is write, Dragoon, who says you have to teach BB course to have an opinion on that and a qualified opinion at that !
I'm a qualified club level safety instructor & hold a certificate from the NRA for instructing law enforcement on pistol & shotgun.
And I can shoot pretty staight too
bottom line is, the instructor, (I think) should at least go over basic safety w/ each student before getting started, just to check if they at least have that down pat.
YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO FIND OUT THAT THEY'RE NOT SAFE & DON'T QUALIFY TO PASS THE BB COURSE WITH A BULLET IN YOUR A!!,
AFTER AN "AD"
So, if any BB instructors want to teach a "BRAND NEW" shooter (that you haven't atleast prequalified or supervised (at local club, or other)), go ahead, just don't want to be within 100 yards of it.
Couldn't find a booster seat that would fit in an OPP Cruiser ??
HAHAHA
, That was a good one, sorry Tritium, had to laugh at that one.Storm is write, Dragoon, who says you have to teach BB course to have an opinion on that and a qualified opinion at that !
I'm a qualified club level safety instructor & hold a certificate from the NRA for instructing law enforcement on pistol & shotgun.
And I can shoot pretty staight too
bottom line is, the instructor, (I think) should at least go over basic safety w/ each student before getting started, just to check if they at least have that down pat.
YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO FIND OUT THAT THEY'RE NOT SAFE & DON'T QUALIFY TO PASS THE BB COURSE WITH A BULLET IN YOUR A!!,
AFTER AN "AD"
So, if any BB instructors want to teach a "BRAND NEW" shooter (that you haven't atleast prequalified or supervised (at local club, or other)), go ahead, just don't want to be within 100 yards of it.
colt, quig, dansy.....You guys are hurting my feelings!!! At least I think you are, I have to find them first.
Okay, here's my bottom line take on alot of this. I think we have all seen new shooters (new to pistol) who could make it through the BB course and get into IPSC very safely due to their own ability to learn and apply a set of skills and rules. I think we can all agree that the 4 principle firearms safety rules as originally quoted by Jeff Cooper work in pretty much all circumstances when the firearm is loaded during a course of fire (except maybe the 180 rule which goes to Never letting the muzzle cover or point at anything you are not willing to destroy). I like IPSC due to the safety rules and conduct of the officials and shooters... unlike some of the police training I do where I have to worry aobut getting shot by the cops (my grandmother wanted me to get into police work so I wouldn't get shot by a cop ... then I got into instructing police and I was sure I'd get shot by a cop!...just kidding my fellow officers )
The IPSC rules for new shooters are very good in explaining how to conduct oneself safely at a match, IPSC practise, etc.
Ones ability to shoot really goes back to listening to the instructor and the application of front sight-trigger press. And we all know that speed comes with experience (and in alot of cases youth!). However, safety and division rules are something that everyone gets from the BB course... it's up to them what they do with the safety stuff after that!
As for critiquing other instructors... yup.. people are gonna do it... as an instructor I find it's one way for me to improve my skills and tailor them to my audience....
Okay, here's my bottom line take on alot of this. I think we have all seen new shooters (new to pistol) who could make it through the BB course and get into IPSC very safely due to their own ability to learn and apply a set of skills and rules. I think we can all agree that the 4 principle firearms safety rules as originally quoted by Jeff Cooper work in pretty much all circumstances when the firearm is loaded during a course of fire (except maybe the 180 rule which goes to Never letting the muzzle cover or point at anything you are not willing to destroy). I like IPSC due to the safety rules and conduct of the officials and shooters... unlike some of the police training I do where I have to worry aobut getting shot by the cops (my grandmother wanted me to get into police work so I wouldn't get shot by a cop ... then I got into instructing police and I was sure I'd get shot by a cop!...just kidding my fellow officers
)The IPSC rules for new shooters are very good in explaining how to conduct oneself safely at a match, IPSC practise, etc.
Ones ability to shoot really goes back to listening to the instructor and the application of front sight-trigger press. And we all know that speed comes with experience (and in alot of cases youth!). However, safety and division rules are something that everyone gets from the BB course... it's up to them what they do with the safety stuff after that!
As for critiquing other instructors... yup.. people are gonna do it... as an instructor I find it's one way for me to improve my skills and tailor them to my audience....
As a sixth dan Combat Martial Arts Instructor, as well as a 2nd dan Taekwon-Do Instructor, the most dangerous person in our traininffacility is the beginner or white belt. many is the time when the white belt did sonething they were told not to do and someone got kicked in the balls...it seriously hurts.
of course you cant beat on them afterwards.
Insuring that a beginner with no formal training spends a period of time learning to shhjot will result in a safer shooter, and unlike a kick in the balls which will eventually fade from black and bluie and go normal, a bullet in the body because a beginner did not listen, is much harder to cover up and or explain.
To those who may feel such a training program before getting into IPSC will frighten off or remove these people from participating in IPSC , clearly you have never been kicked in the balls by a well meaning, but unknowledgeable white belt, and I sure hope you never get shot by one.
experience teaches us good habits, and gives us greater control. removal of this experience will bring us nothing but problems in the long term.
Those who turn away from IPSC because they dont want to learn how to use their firearm, perhaps should not be in IPSC, as they will more than likely not want to do it right.
Those that dont let this minor impediment bother them, will pursue and excel in IPSC and those are the people we want. No cowboys, no Walter Mitty's or Rambos, just good well disciplined shooters who want to become better.
Liability being what it is today even under the Conservatives, we dont need to be kicked in the balls before they would shut us down permanently. As stated in a previous post, just as each club has their safety course, allowing a beginner to get some trigger time before embarking on a demanding IPSC BB course only makes good common senese. Anything less is a prescription for a KITB.
of course you cant beat on them afterwards.
Insuring that a beginner with no formal training spends a period of time learning to shhjot will result in a safer shooter, and unlike a kick in the balls which will eventually fade from black and bluie and go normal, a bullet in the body because a beginner did not listen, is much harder to cover up and or explain.
To those who may feel such a training program before getting into IPSC will frighten off or remove these people from participating in IPSC , clearly you have never been kicked in the balls by a well meaning, but unknowledgeable white belt, and I sure hope you never get shot by one.
experience teaches us good habits, and gives us greater control. removal of this experience will bring us nothing but problems in the long term.
Those who turn away from IPSC because they dont want to learn how to use their firearm, perhaps should not be in IPSC, as they will more than likely not want to do it right.
Those that dont let this minor impediment bother them, will pursue and excel in IPSC and those are the people we want. No cowboys, no Walter Mitty's or Rambos, just good well disciplined shooters who want to become better.
Liability being what it is today even under the Conservatives, we dont need to be kicked in the balls before they would shut us down permanently. As stated in a previous post, just as each club has their safety course, allowing a beginner to get some trigger time before embarking on a demanding IPSC BB course only makes good common senese. Anything less is a prescription for a KITB.
twogunz said:
Well John...
No one ever suggested anything to the contrary...
The issue that started this whole thing...was not what you described. What you described is a good idea (recommended but not manditory)
I have no issues discussing actual facts with anyone but I'm not going to debate it on here any further...
L8TR
Why thank you Craig... my post was not brought on because of any discussions you may have held with others.
It was and is my personal opinion.
Of course having an opinion does not mean that it is right does it?
As far as debating.... you can if you wish..or not... a KITB hurts, as would a bullet. Do not try to interpret what I am saying, but simply take it as it was written, with nothing sinister hidden within, no back handed meanings. That is not my style as you well know. I will always look my opponent in the eye and call a spade a spade . Of course ther is something to be said for the ("broad smile... rule 17)
It is simply a truth based on the pain of experience, which some can learn from, and others are too dim to understand, and as a result are doomed to repeat the mistake again and again without learning
Pain always refocuses the mind
It was and is my personal opinion.
Of course having an opinion does not mean that it is right does it?
As far as debating.... you can if you wish..or not... a KITB hurts, as would a bullet. Do not try to interpret what I am saying, but simply take it as it was written, with nothing sinister hidden within, no back handed meanings. That is not my style as you well know. I will always look my opponent in the eye and call a spade a spade . Of course ther is something to be said for the ("broad smile... rule 17)
It is simply a truth based on the pain of experience, which some can learn from, and others are too dim to understand, and as a result are doomed to repeat the mistake again and again without learning
Pain always refocuses the mind
...twogunz...
I value everyones opinion on this...your included...
...my comments are aimed at this entire thread...I guess I should have stated that in a seperate post instead of quoting yours...
...as far as not wanting to debate this anymore...it's not making things any more clear...so...I'll stop
I value everyones opinion on this...your included...
...my comments are aimed at this entire thread...I guess I should have stated that in a seperate post instead of quoting yours...
...as far as not wanting to debate this anymore...it's not making things any more clear...so...I'll stop
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