IPSC modified division anyone interested?

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IPSC modified division anyone interested?

in canada there must be at least 10 people who may be interested to shoot in that division to have it recongnised at the canadian championship


ok i know all the s#$t that the open shooter can say about it
and i aleready ask the question at the general assembly this summer so i know the answer from the regional director

but the my topics is for the people who can be interested

right now i know 5 people who are building guns and i don't know a lot of people in the sport except in eastern ontarioo and quebec

i want to know if in the rest of canada people can be interested


thanks
phil
dvc
 
philproulx said:
IPSC modified division anyone interested?

ok i know all the s#$t that the open shooter.........

ah...errr..... could you give us an idea what a modified division is?
Honestly, never heard of it in Canada. :D :D
 
nognog said:
ah...errr..... could you give us an idea what a modified division is?
Honestly, never heard of it in Canada. :D :D

basically an open gun that has to fit in the box.

Min caliber for major is .40

Because of the size restrictions...the guns typically have ported barrels as opposed to comps...and specially designed magwells and red dots...
 
Here's a link to a Modified setup

http://www.sviguns.com/swpn/swpn_doctor.html

Might be an interesting option for someone shooting Standard with an S_I in .40 cal...

Put on the new top end...change the magwell and you're good to go...you even use the same mags.

This is a more typicall setup.

http://www.sviguns.com/swpn/swpn.html

It never caught on in North America but is popular in Europe and South America (quite popular in Brazil)

For those of you that may not see the point...why not just shoot Open...remember that's what we were saying to the Production guys about 4 years ago (just shoot Standard)

It could be a good place for die hard Standard guys to take a break and have some fun in a different Division ...
 
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nognog said:
Thanks for the link Quigley.
I wonder why this does not interest the Canadian shooters.

It takes critical mass to support multiple Divisions...it also takes someone to "seed" the interest.

In production division for Ontario...that was Dave B to get the ball rolling...Nick M to move into the Division to get Classifications rolling...and people like Omen to promote it to new members.

I'm interested to see what happens in this Division if similiar people take an interest.
 
There are a couple of guys in Calgary that are interested, one even took a crack at building one. I'm concerned about any potential dilution that another division might bring (USPSA is toying with losing Limited 10) but hey, whatever has the potential to grow the sport is worth a try.
 
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Quigley said:
Here's a link to a Modified setup

http://www.sviguns.com/swpn/swpn_doctor.html

Might be an interesting option for someone shooting Standard with an S_I in .40 cal...

Put on the new top end...change the magwell and you're good to go...you even use the same mags.

This is a more typicall setup.

http://www.sviguns.com/swpn/swpn.html

It never caught on in North America but is popular in Europe and South America (quite popular in Brazil)

For those of you that may not see the point...why not just shoot Open...remember that's what we were saying to the Production guys about 4 years ago (just shoot Standard)

It could be a good place for die hard Standard guys to take a break and have some fun in a different Division ...


Hey boss, this sounds kind of cool, what are the chances that
this could really become a class......With junior in Open know I
think this looks kind of interesting for the guy's on the fence
????????

Sig
DVC
 
OK, you have my attention, can you build any 1911 frame?
i am currently shooting a P 16-40. I know a few guys that
would be interested in looking at this option if it is possible
to build on multiple frames.

Sig
DVC
 
you can build on any frame any way you like as long as it still fits in the gun with a mag inserted when yer all dun.
I've never seen it in a north american match but Johnny Lim (Mr LIMCAT),shot modified at the last world shoot.
 
Modified is sort of a "niether fish nor foul" sort of division, and I think that is why is hasn't caught on here. You've got guns that try to be both Oen and Standard at the same time, and succeed at niether. If you want compensation and electronic sights, Open guns work better, handle better, and look better (IMHO). IF you want a gun that fits in the box, Standard fits the bill.
 
I remember Johnny Lim showing up to the US Nationals once, planning on shooting Modified division. When he found out that there were no other competitors and it wasn't going to be recognized, he pulled out a .38 super and shot open instead.
 
I think Modified is popular in alot of countries where it is expensive to reload, hard to get components, and some places that cannot reload at all. As far as I know .40 ammo is getting near as common as 9mm for availability, and someone that wants to shoot .40, and wants to shoot with an optic- I guess modified is the way to go. Some of the coolest and most creative guns I have seen have been modified guns, theres alot more headscratching going on when one of them is being built. Alot of people snub the idea of modified, but I think it would be cool, and alot of these shooters are shooting these stubby little guns just as fast as the guys with full sized open guns. shooting is all good, if this is what you want to do, I'd say give it a try. I've actually been tossing the idea around for quite some time and have a couple of good guns I could use.
 
curtdad said:
OK, you have my attention, can you build any 1911 frame?
i am currently shooting a P 16-40. I know a few guys that
would be interested in looking at this option if it is possible
to build on multiple frames.

Sig
DVC

Sig, One of the guy on Eric course was shooting a Modified SVI... he was dress in black... I believe the gun was from Frank??

I could be a neat one to try....but for example in Manitoba we have Open and Standard.....not quite enough shooters for all divisions.....when I lived in Nova Scotia they had Open, Standard and Production.....but sometime you would only have a few shooters in each divisions...the bigger provinces could do this easily, anything to attract new shooters.
 
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Quigley said:
Might be an interesting option for someone shooting Standard with an S_I in .40 cal...

Put on the new top end...change the magwell and you're good to go...you even use the same mags.
Only if they're using 126mm mags in S_Is and original plastic basepads in Paras. The mags have to be in the gun when it goes in the box, and we don't have any exemptions for Modified. (And IPSC won't be giving us any)

Quigley said:
For those of you that may not see the point...why not just shoot Open...remember that's what we were saying to the Production guys about 4 years ago (just shoot Standard)

It could be a good place for die hard Standard guys to take a break and have some fun in a different Division ...
Apples and Oranges. If someone was telling a wanna-shoot production shooter to shoot Standard to satisfy his needs, he was telling him to buy a more expensive gun, which was pretty ignorant. In this case, Open guns cost the same as Modified and are easier to get than Modified. While Nick M. could pull a pistol out of inventory and Omen could pick up $600 CZ and Norincos to get young shooters involved; Modified guns range in the $3K area. More than standard guns.

As a Match Director, adding a division is a nightmare. You have to consider all the extra class awards, division placing and categories. Did folks take note of the size of the awards table at last year's nationals?

If (and I hope no one is thinking this...) you're considering Modified as a division just so you can be the National Champion because none of the best in Production, Open or Standard shoot it, think again. 10 people would get it basic recognition at a nationals. It would need sustained attendance at the nationals and Provincials for a couple years before it got the ring or equivalent recognition to Open, Standard or Production. (Just like Standard and Production did as they were introduced) You should want this division for other reasons like the spirit of competition and the design of the guns or you're going to shoot in other countries that have a lot of competition in Modified, etc.

Note that we still don't have sustained attendance in Revolver, and we've been recognizing it on and off at nationals since 2000.

This gun:
s_modified_gun1_326.jpg

Is illegal in Canada due to barrel length.:(

tgt40 said:
whatever has the potential to grow the sport is worth a try.
Very doubtful that this would grow anything. It has not grown in the other countries, it has simply "existed". The other divisions already encompass growth quite well. Note that at the last World Shoot; Modified had 49 Competitors, compared to Open at 290, Standard at 297 and Production at 205. The only division smaller was revolver at 25; Modified is a lot older division than Production.

Oh and there is a very slight rumor that modified is on the chopping block at the next rule book - especially if pressure for single stack division grows - we'll see in 2009.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade, but before people start investing serious coin (with production, you were not investing so much and it was easily guaranteed a future) I want people to understand the playing field.

So there you go - you're educated with the full set of facts - Still want it?
 
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hhmmm...no mag in gun exemption...that sucks...

maybe a different approach...drop out Senior and Super Senior categories...and it can be a retirement home sor Standard shooters once their eyes start to go :cool:

Seriously though...I don't think anyone is talking about National hampionshiop status just yet...and if someone wants to give it a try (not that all the facts are on the table) all the more power to them...

Phil put out a challenge...it either flies or dies
 
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I spent some time working in the Philippines in`97 and at that time Modified Division was finding some interest in Aisa. There were a bunch of guys shooting and building modified guns and back then they all had iron sights, most of them had either Scheuman style barrel ports or V-type ports and a single chamber comp. I tried a few of these guns and while they were cool to shoot, the times they were turning in on the stages were really no different than the times in Standard Division...so what was the point?

Now, everyone is putting scopes on them and chopping the guns to fit in the box, so what you end up with is essentially an Open gun with lower capacity and greater flip (126MM mags and .40 cal to make major and less compensation). So again; if what you really want is an Open gun, why not just get one? Otherwise, you will end up spending 3K+ on a gun that will not fit into any real divison.
 
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