IPSC newbie question
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Okay, thanks. Maybe I will check out some range bags. I know that would be more handy. I could throw a lot of stuff in a bag including the cheap case. Does anyone recommend a holster that won't scratch the Satin Nickel finish of the pistol.
I don't mean to hijack this thread, but I have a question that I think everyone interested in trying IPSC would be interested in (including myself):
Does IPSC allow the use of 10 round .40S&W magazines filled with more than 10 rounds of 9mm in 9mm pistols? And if they do, does employing such a tactic bring any benefits or handicaps to an IPSC shooter? Obviously more rounds per mag is better, but perhaps stages are set up with a 10 round mag in mind? Perhaps the 9mm filled .40 mag does not feed reliably or spills ammo?
For everyone who is unaware that such a practice is legal please look at the following thread. Also, to prevent cluttering this thread, any comments on the legality of this should be directed here as well:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=439055
Does IPSC allow the use of 10 round .40S&W magazines filled with more than 10 rounds of 9mm in 9mm pistols? And if they do, does employing such a tactic bring any benefits or handicaps to an IPSC shooter? Obviously more rounds per mag is better, but perhaps stages are set up with a 10 round mag in mind? Perhaps the 9mm filled .40 mag does not feed reliably or spills ammo?
For everyone who is unaware that such a practice is legal please look at the following thread. Also, to prevent cluttering this thread, any comments on the legality of this should be directed here as well:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=439055
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Not sure if it is legal, but if you use the magazine in Production, my logic is the magazine is not made for that production gun, therefore, you may have to score as Standard or even Open. Pls correct me if I am wrong.
It's not allowed...period.
That really begs the question why?
...but...if during the match, an official tested your mags for capacity...and they held more than 10 rounds...you would be disqualified for gross unsportsmanlike conduct.
So why you say it is not a popular gun i have used one for about the last 3 years and have seen many other using them
If you shoot IPSC matches in Ontario as much as I do, you can make a simple observation, in Production Division two pistols stand out: Shadow and Tanfoglio. After that I see more Glocks and MPs then CZ75s.
Greetings
As for why: I would prefer to have extra magazine capacity when not shooting IPSC without having to buy 2 sets of magazines, a .40 set for 'home' use and a 9mm set for IPSC use.
As for the 'gross unsportsmanlike conduct', are you sure this would apply? What if you pinned your .40 mag during competitions and then unpinned it at home? If you are only loading 10 rounds you are not giving yourself any advantage in any way, in fact if anything you are possibly imposing a handicap on yourself due to reliability issues. I guess someone could always say you were trying to cheat by sneaking extra rounds if it was possible to hold more than 10, but aren't there judges, refereees, or whatever watching for things like "hey I just heard 12 bangs between reloads".
Also, having never been to a match I am sure this is a very newb question, but watching videos on youtube, there is always a 'crew' following the shooter around holding up what looks like a garage door opener - what is the 'garage door opener', and what is the crew doing?
As for the 'gross unsportsmanlike conduct', are you sure this would apply? What if you pinned your .40 mag during competitions and then unpinned it at home? If you are only loading 10 rounds you are not giving yourself any advantage in any way, in fact if anything you are possibly imposing a handicap on yourself due to reliability issues. I guess someone could always say you were trying to cheat by sneaking extra rounds if it was possible to hold more than 10, but aren't there judges, refereees, or whatever watching for things like "hey I just heard 12 bangs between reloads".
Also, having never been to a match I am sure this is a very newb question, but watching videos on youtube, there is always a 'crew' following the shooter around holding up what looks like a garage door opener - what is the 'garage door opener', and what is the crew doing?
If your caught with mags that hold more than 10 rounds...you're DQ'd. It's not complicated.
The crew you are referring to are Range officials...and garage door opener is a timer (IPSC is scored by dividing total points by the time (from the starting beep to the last shot)
The crew you are referring to are Range officials...and garage door opener is a timer (IPSC is scored by dividing total points by the time (from the starting beep to the last shot)
So if a .40 mag is pinned in such a way as to hold only 10 9mm rounds you are ok? As for the timer, it seems they like to hold it high in the air, almost like they are trying to point it at the target... I take it the timer captures the time of each shot and stops automatically?
those guys and gals holding the timers are the RO's,...they make sure safety rules are followed/or addressed. They make sure the shooter follows the stage briefings. The little box is shot timer,...it makes a beep which signals the shooter that he/she can start the stage....draw the gun, shoot targets,etc. When the last shot goes off, the time is recorded and then the RO goes around and scores the targets. This allows the stats folks to get a hit factor, to determine who shot the stage the best and earned the most points. The person with the highest hit factor gets all ofthe points.
The timer also has a breathalyser function, to determine if you are drinking. (JK btw)
SVISTI1911
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Well that rule should be changed too. If we must follow international rules about mag length why then follow a 10 round maximum? This isn't USPSA Limited 10.
According to the RCMP as sent out in the last CSSA newsletter if you use a mag that holds only 10 rounds of the intended manufactured caliber and you can actually put more then 10 rounds of another caliber in it, you are not breaking the law. So if I can get 13 rounds of 38 ammo in my 40 S&W STI or SVI mag I should be allowed to use it no?
So if I can get 13 rounds of 38 ammo in my 40 S&W STI or SVI mag I should be allowed to use it no?
No...
as much as I would want to have a few extra rounds every now and then I would speculate that a 40 cal mag would need some tweaking to be 100% reliable with 9mm. At that point I would think the law would consider the mag to be a 9mm mag since it was modified specificly to work with 10+ rounds of the new caliber. Just playing devils advocate here.
SVISTI1911
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- Kitchener, Ontario
I have used my STI mags with both 40 and 38 caliber without modification and never a problem. 9mm maybe troublesome since the round is a bit shorter and it is a tapered cartridge. Although I think they may be responsible for my misses......
There are other mags that can do the same but I have no experience with them. I imagine that the same could be said with Berretta's, CZ's, HiPower's and Glocks.
Besides they (law enforcement) would have to prove that any "tuning" was intentionally done which would be impossible. Also they have never really cared about how well it may or may not function, that isn't their job. I know of cases where shooters have lost mag bodies at customs becasue they had the potential to hold more then 10 rounds. These by definition are not magazines since they are missing the required parts to make them function as such. They are nothing more then formed sheet metal at this point and some dopey customs officer thinks he is making the bust of the century. Then again the point I am trying to make is the crappy IPSC rules, not the functioning of guns or mags. No more 140's go and spend a few hundred bucks getting 126's for your gun. What a load of crap, it's just a big kick in the
Guess which one is IPSC World and which one is you.....
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