IPSC Production - What are YOU using today?

jlostracco said:
Buy a shadow 2 hands down, upgrading a stock 2 tanfoglio will be much more expensive. Also IPSC production heavily favours DA/SA guns as your subsequent trigger pulls can be under 5 pounds.

Source: ipsc production master
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X2 and 3 and 4!

And Congrats John!! Saw you made Master in that last Classification run. You've been regularly beating other GM's for awhile so Guessing it won't be long now before you are our next GM:)
 
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hungrybeagle said:
I can understand and respect that. When I'm practicing, I'm fitting it into my schedule and have limited time to maximize my practice. If I have only 2 hours on the range, the last thing I want to do is spend 10-25% of my time chit chatting.
from talking to Hwansik, he has a rigorous 5 day (on range) practice regimen that is in addition to dry firing and cross training that is over and above his regular classes as a full time student. He's very big on mental discipline. However, he has come from being a new pistol shooter to a top level shooter in 3 years so what he's doing definitely is working.
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WOW !!!!
That's what I call achievement.
I wanted to follow that path and all a sudden, my brain started calculating.
- 5 days /week at 3 hours a day = 15 hours a week.
- at least 200 rounds/day= 1000 rounds a week; for me, $320.00 of commercial reloads or if you reload, about $150.00.
So, in 3 years (50 weeks + 2 weeks vacations) around:
- 2250 hours of range time.
- $48.000.00 or $22.500.00 worth of ammo.

Divorce + selling the house + alimony and all peripheric expenses....

So, I abandoned the idea.

I still consider an achievement what this gentleman did.
 
DanRR said:
WOW !!!!
That's what I call achievement.
I wanted to follow that path and all a sudden, my brain started calculating.
- 5 days /week at 3 hours a day = 15 hours a week.
- at least 200 rounds/day= 1000 rounds a week; for me, $320.00 of commercial reloads or if you reload, about $150.00.
So, in 3 years (50 weeks + 2 weeks vacations) around:
- 2250 hours of range time.
- $48.000.00 or $22.500.00 worth of ammo.

Divorce + selling the house + alimony and all peripheric expenses....

So, I abandoned the idea.

I still consider an achievement what this gentleman did.
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Ammo costs in USA are much lower. Like 200$ per 1000 of factory or like 120 per thousand reloaded.
 
Good evening Bsand,
Still talking of about $18.000.00/ 3 years.
And I'm a bit conservative; I have read that Eric Grauffel shoots 500 rounds a day.
 
Trinimon said:
Need to get so good you get an ammo sponsor. :)
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Yes for sure.
But before you get there, you need to ask you what are your goals.
In other words, where are you now , where you want to be, and fill the space.
This magnificent sport offers you the kind of space you are comfortable with.
I have a tremendous blast and I shoot as many competitions I can; I shoot about 2000 rounds a year; my goal is strictly to have fun and by that, I do not mean chit chat (or very little) but serious shooting. I love equipment matters ( I bought/sold 5 pistols and am waiting for a 6th, all that in a year). Proficiency comes on a slow pace but I'm happy with that, my eyes being not what they were.
I try also to maintain a balance between family life and the sport.
 
DanRR said:
Good evening Bsand,
Still talking of about $18.000.00/ 3 years.
And I'm a bit conservative; I have read that Eric Grauffel shoots 500 rounds a day.
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In 6 months I had shot over 5000 rounds. Half of that was factory, other half reloads. I can definitely say more rounds = more gains. I went from a noob last November with a Glock 26 to heading towards B class carry optics in 3 months (March to June) with a dot.
 
Nice.
Practice makes perfect.
I quit shooting in 1985 (master ranked in PPC).
IPSC was in its childhood at the time; I had the privilege to chat with Ray Chapman (1st world champion) around a cup of coffee, met Massad Ayoob, a fine gentleman.
I resumed my career last year.
I made all the mistakes I had to make until everything cooled down....lots of bad habits to get rid of.
Congrats for your learning curve.
Dan
 
Weekend Gunslingers said:
Dominated by CZ's at the moment, but I will be fielding this guy at the next match ;D

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I was pretty rusty this weekend but the SFP9 ran like a champ in sandy/dusty conditions. Even with the mags getting all gritty from dropping in the sand, it never slowed down or had any form of hiccup.
 
Claven2 said:
Stupid question:
Do striker guns prevail, generally, in any IPSC division nowadays?
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Definitely not in Canada, where our competitors are non-pros.
Steel DA/SA guns do. Check out the results from the top 10 at any Level 3, Provincial championship or the Canadian Nationals results.
It's all Tanfoglio Stock Variant or CZ Shadow Variant.
 
Freedom Ventures said:
Definitely not in Canada, where our competitors are non-pros.
Steel DA/SA guns do. Check out the results from the top 10 at any Level 3, Provincial championship or the Canadian Nationals results.
It's all Tanfoglio Stock Variant or CZ Shadow Variant.
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Hmm...

Last time I went to an IPSC event (close to 10 years ago), it was all M&P and Glock, but things change I guess. I remember reading production division was basically created (originally) so the striker guns would be competitive and to get people into the sport economically.

Presumably those days are gone?
 
I think I must've seen about 2 Glocks and an M&P in the last 4 matches I participated at. Everything else was either a CZ, Tanfoglio, 1911 or 2011 and the odd revolver.
 
Trinimon said:
I think I must've seen about 2 Glocks and an M&P in the last 4 matches I participated at. Everything else was either a CZ, Tanfoglio, 1911 or 2011 and the odd revolver.
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Sorry for the hijack, but curious: do any of the shooting sports have a category any longer where striker guns are competitive?
 
Claven2 said:
Sorry for the hijack, but curious: do any of the shooting sports have a category any longer where striker guns are competitive?
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If you train with it, why not?

Certain guns tend to lend to faster splits, more ergonomic etc. With a game made of tenths of seconds every bit can help. Albeit this only really matters at the top when they Need every tenth to compete with others whom train for weeks prior to big matches.

For the most part, any gun you train with you can be competitive with. Just recognize what it takes to be competitive before you go knocking the gun!

My only reason to buy a stock 2 was because i like shiny things. I seem to sell off black guns and keep stainless.
FV hooked me up with 90% of the parts i needed at the cdn nationals.
 
I'm guessing a lot of guys shoot DA/SA hammer style pistols instead of striker in Production is because of the 5lb minimum trigger weight. The DA/SA pistols would have a heavy first DA but much lighter subsequent SA trigger making for quicker follow up shots. With a striker fired pistol, you got your first shot at 5+lbsAND every other shot you take with that pistol. I think it's easy to start getting jerky with a heavy trigger. We're talking about shaving split seconds for the fast guys so for an average Joe like myself, it probably wouldn't make a huge difference but I just don't like the feel of a heavy, mushy stock Glock trigger.
 
Claven2 said:
I remember reading production division was basically created (originally) so the striker guns would be competitive and to get people into the sport economically.
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Sort of, not for striker specifically but it was created so people could shoot out of the box guns and not have top compete with open guns, I believe the 5lb first shot rule may have been added to make striker guns more competitive, but all things other being equal, an all steel gun will have less felt recoil than a polymer.
 
Trinimon said:
I think I must've seen about 2 Glocks and an M&P in the last 4 matches I participated at. Everything else was either a CZ, Tanfoglio, 1911 or 2011 and the odd revolver.
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Its the exact opposite in USA in production atleast. Then again USPSA production doesn't have a trigger pull weight limit. So people have like 3.5# glock triggers and such.
 
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