IPSC Rules (variations) Production

BCOrchidGuy said:
Going to the local indoor range probably today to compare Glock 17, M&P9, P-07 Duty and what ever else they have. I'm finding it hard to commit to one over another with out shooting it, my favorite to shoot so far was the Baby Eagle 9mm but as the guy at the range said, try finding a holster for it or accessories. The glocks and cz seem to win when you consider accessories and availability. S&W has that lifetime Service Policy and I hear good things about M&P...oh well Pal is first week of December so I still have lots of time to make my choice(s)...

Thanks for all the advice folks, it's excellent to get opinions and to have my line of thinking challenged.

Will the fact that my gf shoots left eye dominant make a difference if I had to shoot her Shadow when I'm right eye dominant? The shadow is always a choice as is the Phantom (I like the feel of the Phantom) but the shooting center doesn't have one to try.

Douglas
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Good move on the indoor range to try out the different models.

Speaking from experience.... I went from G21 to M&P9 now to the CZ Shadow. If I could start all over again from those 3 pistols.... I would go with the Shadow. For me, it feels better, I can handle it better, it's heavier which helps control recoil and it groups waaay better on the go and lastly, for me, it comes stardard with front FO sights.
 
I went to the range on Friday and tried the glock, M&P, a cz p-07 duty and something else, nothing impressed me. I'm not sure what happened but I had trouble finding the front sight on all the guns. Maybe it was just a bad day, but I keep going back to the baby eagle, I put all 50 rounds into a 6 inch diameter spot at about 5 yards...Guess that means I need to go back and try again huh

Douglas
 
euxx, I'm offended ...well maybe not... I'm not sure where they put the target for noobs really. I know it's not a long shot but with the beagle I was grouping where with everything else I've been all over the place. I think I'll try the glock and shadow again but wear my eye glasses and not my contacts and see if that makes a difference (I wore eye glasses when I shot the beagle). I do know in the stores I can find the front sight on a gun no problem but at the range I have trouble finding it. Is that because of lower light at the range? or sights that are dirty? or is it just me needing to get used to looking at the front sight and the target?

BTW, what size of fork are we talking about??

Douglas
 
BCOrchidGuy said:
...but wear my eye glasses and not my contacts and see if that makes a difference (I wore eye glasses when I shot the beagle). I do know in the stores I can find the front sight on a gun no problem but at the range I have trouble finding it. Is that because of lower light at the range?
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Light plays a heavy factor on seeing the front sight, (Especially if your eyes are older) but at the same time, once that target is downrange of the front sight, you may be distracted by the target and not looking where you are supposed to be (at the front sight)

Dirty sights won't be an issue.

Another factor is why are you wearing corrective lenses? If it's far sightedness due to age, you're going to have a difficult time getting a happy medium with the correction to see targets and the front sight clearly. Sadly, there's not much solution for that. (Hence the reason so many older shooters turn to red dots) but if you're correcting your eyesight more generally, you should be OK.
 
BCOrchidGuy said:
euxx, I'm offended ...well maybe not... I'm not sure where they put the target for noobs really. I know it's not a long shot but with the beagle I was grouping where with everything else I've been all over the place.
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the thing is that with 6" group at 5y you'll have about 24" group at 20y, which is a bit too big for a standard IPSC target. You need to work on your accuracy, forget the speed and holster and shoot some groups. Slowly and focus on your front sight.
 
It's somewhat a handful, trying to make sure form is good, breathing etc... at this point speed is the least of my concerns, I like shooting so taking my time is a bonus. I know I need to work on grouping so I should probably be shooting the same gun each time, which to go with though...oh well thanks for the input folks, it really is appreciated.

Douglas
 
Take lessons. Time and money spent on an instructor will make massive differences in your shooting ability and save you money in wasted ammo
 
You can learn enough about basic shooting skills from watching YouTube videos on proper technique and dry firing. Nothing emphasizes how much your front sight is moving like dropping the hammer on an empty gun.
 
Yes, practice practice practice... When I shot traditional archery I didn't use sights, I looked at the target and practiced, soon I was an excellent shot. Seeing as how it's taking 4 months plus to get PALs now and we don't take ours till next month I was considering a pellet pistol, just to get used to bringing it up and finding the target... is it a waste of money or a legit way to practice and build some skill.

Douglas
 
Not a bad plan with the air pistol idea.
Don't try the bringing it up and finding the target plan.
Practice basic sight alignment and trigger prep and go for accuracy not speed.
It will all transfer over to the centrefire with just more noise and recoil, but if you have the fundamentals you will do fine.
You might want to consider the 22 conversion for the CZ if you do end up getting one, cheaper practice and it also breaks in the trigger and it will also help you on the fundamentals.:)
 
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