Ipsc shotgun under attack?

Bentleg said:
Let IPSC bear the brunt of the anti Lobby.. and bend under their weight.. while other sports remain untouched.
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That's just wrong.

What happens when they've "bent" all the way and the anti's go after everything else? When any shooting discipline give in to PC pressure it's bad for the whole community.
 
Bentleg said:
Understood.

I think that people who are interested in Shooting sports should be thankful for IPSC being the largest and most well known of the sports.. It takes the brunt of the pressure from the ANTI crowd to change... and it has changed. These changes have resulted in the spawning of a number of other organizations that cleave closer to the original vision of IPSC.
These other organizations remain mostly unknown outside of shooting sports circles.

Let IPSC bear the brunt of the anti Lobby.. and bend under their weight.. while other sports remain untouched.
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H:S::puke:
 
Stevo said:
That's just wrong.

What happens when they've "bent" all the way and the anti's go after everything else?
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well... it is happening and will continue to... complaining about what is true and wishing it was otherwise does not make it any less true.

Resistance to that change .. resistance to the point of reversal is everyone's goal .. mine as well.

But having a nice big target out there for them to fire at while several flanking actions are ongoing is helpful.
 
Bentleg said:
well... it is happening and will continue to... complaining about what is true and wishing it was otherwise does not make it any less true.

Resistance to that change .. resistance to the point of reversal is everyone's goal .. mine as well.

But having a nice big target out there for them to fire at while several flanking actions are ongoing is helpful.
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Please.

Which organization do you have lined up to throw under the bus after IPSC?
 
rollie100 said:
hear yah. though i joined ipsc years ago, im going IDPA instead, IDPA sounds a lot more unrestrictive than ipsc.
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Actually I thought the same thing...........however then I downloaded the IDPA rulebook and took the IDPA course this past weekend.

I can now say that they are about on par........however IPSC having been around longer is further evolved in the rules department.......IDPA seems to be heading in a similar path.

I think it is a symptom of the way in which they both operate.

Not sure what the cure is.

VIVA la REVOLUTION!!


dinsdale said:
My only fault with IDPA are that you are told how to shoot a stage and in IPSC it is freestyle.
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Hmmm
That makes it easier for the MDs etc......

My main problem is the power of interpretation that the SOs have. It is why I dubbed it the ICE Dance of shooting sports.
 
Stevo said:
Please.

Which organization do you have lined up to throw under the bus after IPSC?
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IPSC is not going anywhere.. I can't see that largest world wide shooting Sport whithering away to nothing. Seems it's mostly in its own way with changes alienating it's own membership.

all I'm saying is that it does seem act as an ablative shield to other shooting sports.
 
if it aint broke don't fix it. How long untill comps are no longer allowed in open because some jamtart thinks it looks like an evil baby killing silencer
 
Bentleg said:
Let IPSC bear the brunt of the anti Lobby.. and bend under their weight.. while other sports remain untouched.
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Where is that saying everyone uses?

When they came for the Jews I did nothing for I am not a jew.......etc..etc.etc.etc when they came for me no one was left to speak out.


So you are happy to let the antis etc destroy the largest most powerful organization?? Then what? how hard will it be to cut down and kill any other smaller organization??


Hope you enjoy I.P.S.B.S.C.!

(international practical spit ballers shooting confederation)





Don't forget we have already lost one shooting organization this month, what happened to the poor "World tactical shooters federation"? Poor guy had to close up shop because of opposition(or was it reality??):D:D
 
You IPSC'rs should just go back to shooting guns at whatever targets you want, using any scenario you want, wearing whatever you want, and not worry about the antis.

They dont' care that you made your targets more PC or if you are wearing urban camo or the typical IPSC dork outfit... They don't care that you have made IPSC more politically correct, they just dont' want you to own guns, period.

The general public doesn't care either. Most of them think shooting guns is scary, but could be "fun" or "cool."

Make the younger generation embrace shooting guns because it's cool, and grow your supporters. But dorky and PC isn't cool and fun.:p
 
Well sounds like enough interest to start our own CGN shooting sport club, and unlike IPSC or other ours will be somewhat less restrictive and more fun. only similarity to the other clubs is safety obviously.

what do you all think.
 
Unfortunately nobody seems willing to stand against them, the other option is for regions to start opting out of the Confederation.
 
stormbringer said:
I can now say that they are about on par........however IPSC having been around longer is further evolved in the rules department.......IDPA seems to be heading in a similar path.

I think it is a symptom of the way in which they both operate.
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My take on it is that sometimes an org gets to big for it's own good... And human nature being as flawed as it is our only solution to situations/problems that arise is to add another rule... In little time your rule book is a mile thick, but does little to really improve anything.




stormbringer said:
My main problem is the power of interpretation that the SOs have. It is why I dubbed it the ICE Dance of shooting sports.
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You've mentioned this before Storm' and I've never been able to bend my head around as to how you've come to this conclusion... RSO calls are pretty basic and obvious to those who play the game.

...and b'sides... ice dancing is f**kin' awsome!!! Just look at those skimpy costumes :eek:

That said.. I've seen way more arguing over SO "interpretations" at IPSC events.. That's for sure :D
 
stormbringer said:
Actually I thought the same thing...........however then I downloaded the IDPA rulebook and took the IDPA course this past weekend.

I can now say that they are about on par........however IPSC having been around longer is further evolved in the rules department.......IDPA seems to be heading in a similar path.

I think it is a symptom of the way in which they both operate.

Not sure what the cure is.

VIVA la REVOLUTION!!.
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You are kidding right? You take a New Shooters Orientation Course and get introduced to the rules of the sport and have concluded "IDPA seems to be heading in a similar path." Please explain how you come to that conclusion. There haven't been any rules changes in IDPA since 2005. While a new rule book is in the works, changes are expected to be minor. There maybe a reduction in power factor for SSR given almost all factory .38spl ammo doesn't make PF of 125 and the wieght limit for CDP maybe increased marginally to reflect current 1911 weights as we are seeing more and more 1911's being produced with light rails which adds slightly to the weight of the guns.

IDPA's roots are set in concealed carry defensive shooting and the rules continue to reflect those roots. IDPA isn't a free for all though and like any sport it has rules that govern how the sport is shot. Most of us understand that and live within the rules as laid down by our BOD. I should add the core rules of IDPA haven't changed signifacantly since 1995.

We do have a provision for exemptions to reflect local situations as they relate to Gun Laws. Those exemptions when granted are for use in the country they apply to and cannot be used in jurisdictions where the laws allow for the rule book to be applied. eg Canada has three exemptions granted, two of which reflect our gun laws while one was at the request of the Canadian Armed Forces.

Take Care

Bob
 
Gatehouse said:
You IPSC'rs should just go back to shooting guns at whatever targets you want, using any scenario you want, wearing whatever you want, and not worry about the antis.

They dont' care that you made your targets more PC or if you are wearing urban camo or the typical IPSC dork outfit... They don't care that you have made IPSC more politically correct, they just dont' want you to own guns, period.

The general public doesn't care either. Most of them think shooting guns is scary, but could be "fun" or "cool."

Make the younger generation embrace shooting guns because it's cool, and grow your supporters. But dorky and PC isn't cool and fun.:p
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100% ... that is my point

IPSC is a target for the anti's and it has bent under their fire..

and it should not have. Trying to make something "less offensive" in a situation of irreconcilable differences is pointless.

People who want to will do it... people who are against it won't .. and most people won't care either way.

People that hate something and want it gone are not going to be content with superficial concessions.. and lose interest and wander away...it become a wedge.. that they will just keep kicking deeper.
 
667 said:
You've mentioned this before Storm' and I've never been able to bend my head around as to how you've come to this conclusion... RSO calls are pretty basic and obvious to those who play the game.

...and b'sides... ice dancing is f**kin' awsome!!! Just look at those skimpy costumes :eek:

That said.. I've seen way more arguing over SO "interpretations" at IPSC events.. That's for sure :D
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I have had "Cover" calls made against me when I was leaning around a wall and could not even see the targets I was trying to engage.

I have seen procedurals called when a Mozambique was called for and the shooter shot a little high and put 2 in the head and one in the body.
 
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