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Ganderite

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I start my Black badge course next week. I have not yet seen an actual box that my pistol is supposed to fit in.

My two favourite pistols are a FNS 40L (5" brl) and a Canik TP9FSx (also 5" brl).

What class would these be ok to shoot in?
 
Class depends on your skills......

You should ask about the DIVISION.......

Your Canik TP9FSx is not on Prod Div approved list, so good for Standard Minor.

Your FNS-40L is on the Prod Div approved list, so you can use it in Production Division (but .40 cal will not be recognized as Major, as there is no Major in Production)


http://www.ipsc.org/rules/proddiv.php
 
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pilgrim said:
Class depends on your skills......

You should ask about the DIVISION.......

Your Canik TP9FSx is not on Prod Div approved list, so good for Standard Minor.

Your FNS-40L is on the Prod Div approved list, so you can shoot in in Production Division (but .40 cal will not be recognized as Major, as there is no Major in Production)


http://www.ipsc.org/rules/proddiv.php
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Why is my Canik not approved? (Not yet got around to it? Too big? etc.?)

Did not know there was no Major in production. Why no Major?
 
pilgrim said:
Class depends on your skills......

You should ask about the DIVISION.......

Your Canik TP9FSx is not on Prod Div approved list, so good for Standard Minor.

Your FNS-40L is on the Prod Div approved list, so you can use it in Production Division (but .40 cal will not be recognized as Major, as there is no Major in Production)


http://www.ipsc.org/rules/proddiv.php
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Can I shoot the FNS-40L in Standard - major? If yes, is there a reason why I should not want to?
 
Ganderite said:
Can I shoot the FNS-40L in Standard - major? If yes, is there a reason why I should not want to?
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Sure, why not......but remember you will be shooting against completely tuned custom made handguns with magwells..........if just for fun - move your magpouches forward and you will be in Open :)
 
OK, I am getting it.

Production is "as issued - no big mods"

Standard is heavily tuned and modified.

And Production does not have a Major. So I can shoot my FNS40L with mild ammo.

But my Canik, which looks to me to be quite similar to the FNS-L is not recognised as a production gun. Will that change, or is their a fault with the Canik?
 
Canik trigger pull is less then 5lbs and therefore not approved for Production.

First trigger pull needs to be over 5lbs. That's why DA/SA guns are so popular in IPSC Producstion.
 
Honestly you would not be getting the full enjoyment out of any division with these guns.

I would suggest selling them both and then buying a gun depending on the division you do want to shoot.

Of course you can do the Black Badge course with any of these guns but in regards to competing you just will not be competitive with them.
 
I own lots of guns. As I sit here, contemplating the rules on one hand and my guns on the other, I am thinking I would most prefer shooting Classic (I have lots of 1911s) and Production.

For production, I assume a competitive gun would be something like

CZ 75
M&P 9 or 40
Glock 17, 22, 19, 23
Grand Power XTrim
Canik T-120 (a CZ clone)
Girsan MC28

Why do you say the FNS40L is not competitive? It seems to be fairly fast and accurate.
 
Ganderite said:
I own lots of guns. As I sit here, contemplating the rules on one hand and my guns on the other, I am thinking I would most prefer shooting Classic (I have lots of 1911s) and Production.

For production, I assume a competitive gun would be something like

CZ 75
M&P 9 or 40
Glock 17, 22, 19, 23
Grand Power XTrim
Canik T-120 (a CZ clone)
Girsan MC28

Why do you say the FNS40L is not competitive? It seems to be fairly fast and accurate.
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For production, CZ Shadow 2 is now the choice of the masses. Its heavy weight is a real advantage for the second shot. Long sight radius nice too. Personally, still prefer the CZ Shadow 1; just fits my hand way better and the single action trigger is great. The light weight of the polymer guns is a distinct disadvantage; I really like my Sig P320, but the CZ's extra mass is really a benefit for that second shot. The downside for CZs is the mandatory double action first shot, but this can be trained for.
 
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Casitanha said:
The downside for CZs is the mandatory double action first shot, but this can be trained for.
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Not really a downside as everything must have a 5lb or more first shot, beside weight the other advantage to a metal DA/SA is the light and crisp single action trigger for the remainder of shots in a stage where as a striker fire will be greater than 5lbs for every shot.
 
Ganderite said:
I own lots of guns. As I sit here, contemplating the rules on one hand and my guns on the other, I am thinking I would most prefer shooting Classic (I have lots of 1911s) and Production.

For production, I assume a competitive gun would be something like

CZ 75
M&P 9 or 40
Glock 17, 22, 19, 23
Grand Power XTrim
Canik T-120 (a CZ clone)
Girsan MC28

Why do you say the FNS40L is not competitive? It seems to be fairly fast and accurate.
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.40 is not competitive in production as it is a minor only division. You would essentially be putting yourself at a disadvantage by choosing to shoot .40 against 9mm.

You can do it of course, it's just not as easy as 9mm.

Using it in Standard would work, add a magwell and do some work etc. But still not a gun of choice for Standard, by the time you invest the money you could have bought a more competitive standard gun.

But if you're looking to just have fun then go for it, shoot what you have and enjoy the sport!
 
NickVR said:
.40 is not competitive in production as it is a minor only division. You would essentially be putting yourself at a disadvantage by choosing to shoot .40 against 9mm.

You can do it of course, it's just not as easy as 9mm.

Using it in Standard would work, add a magwell and do some work etc. But still not a gun of choice for Standard, by the time you invest the money you could have bought a more competitive standard gun.

But if you're looking to just have fun then go for it, shoot what you have and enjoy the sport!
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Well thats not completely true - you can load 40 for minor and the round is much softer shooting than a 9.

Real issue is the cost of brass and projectiles in this scenario.
 
you can load 40 for minor and the round is much softer shooting than a 9.
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Just doing ballpark math; You could theoretically shoot .40 at 700fps second.

That would be neat to try.
 
pilgrim said:
Sure, why not......but remember you will be shooting against completely tuned custom made handguns with magwells..........if just for fun - move your magpouches forward and you will be in Open :)
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Ported barrel, the slide been lightened, barrel is 5.2" and limit is 5" Actually if the barrel is ported it will put you in Open Minor.

Ganderite said:
I own lots of guns. As I sit here, contemplating the rules on one hand and my guns on the other, I am thinking I would most prefer shooting Classic (I have lots of 1911s) and Production.

Why do you say the FNS40L is not competitive? It seems to be fairly fast and accurate.
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It's just 40 a bit more snappy than 9mm. I'm sure if you tune down the 40 to min, It wouldn't be an issue.

NickVR said:
.40 is not competitive in production as it is a minor only division. You would essentially be putting yourself at a disadvantage by choosing to shoot .40 against 9mm.
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Not really my father ran a XD40 for years in IPSC/IDPA. He down tuned the ammo so it wasn't as snappy and could control it better.
 
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OkayShooter said:
Ported barrel, the slide been lightened, barrel is 5.2" and limit is 5" Actually if the barrel is ported it will put you in Open Minor.
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I'm not certain but I'm guessing this is a response about the Canik? If so it's the trigger pull and barrel length alone that keep it from Production. The barrel isn't ported and Factory slide ports/cuts won't keep you off the production gun list (see Walther Q5 Match, Grand Power X-Trim, etc etc)
 
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