is .40 dead?

Canuck44 said:
9MM rise in popularity has nothing to do with increased pressures. Defensive bullet design, cartridge/training costs are the two major factors IMHO.

I have been shooting lead in my 9MM for the past 30 years with no leading using wheel weight alloy. There is no need to avoid lead bullets in the 9MM. Even Glock owners have been known to shoot lead in their guns. My Tanfoglio with polygonal rifling has never leaded using lead cast bullets. I also shoot lead bullets in my 40 cal and of course my 45 acp.

For civilian use in Canada , for those who shoot competitively the choice of sports, and the divisions they choose to shoot dictate for the most part the caliber of choice. The 38spl, 9MM and 45acp dominate IDPA for that reason.

Take Care

Bob
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Haven't seen a single person in Alberta shoot 45 in IDPA. Its to expensive.
 
I still shoot (and reload for .40S&W). I will repeat what others say - it seems that there is never any .40S&W brass on the range, other than mine. Lately, I've been thinking of getting a pistol calibre carbine in .40S&W (most just because I don't have a pistol calibre carbine :) )
 
If we could CC then I'd get a .40 . Since we can't then 9mm wins for me due to cost effectiveness and availability.

45 is just too costly. I might reload for it though, then things might change. I want to get a ridiculously expensive 1911 when I turn 45.
 
I shoot a lot of 9mm, more than anything else. But I also shoot quite a bit of .45 ACP. And some days I think, 'hey, I haven't taken the .40 out for a while', and so I take it out and shoot it too. And surprisingly, I like them all.

Then again, a guy named Elmer Keith liked shooting his .357 magnum, but decided he needed to kill things deader so came up with his .44 magnum, and then he noticed there was a space in between that needed filling so he came up with a .41 Magnum....and I shoot all of those too. So is the .41 Magnum dead? Maybe to most guys, but I sure enjoy the hell out of shooting it from my Model 57!

Really, the only 'dead' cartridge I can come up with off hand that I own is a .38 S&W that I have an old 1926 Police Positive chambered for. It takes a while for a cartridge to die.....
 
oppy said:
I still shoot (and reload for .40S&W). I will repeat what others say - it seems that there is never any .40S&W brass on the range, other than mine. Lately, I've been thinking of getting a pistol calibre carbine in .40S&W (most just because I don't have a pistol calibre carbine :) )
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I got a 40 PCC
 
easyrider604 said:
With the renewed interest of Law Enforcement in the 9mm, .40 popularity will surely come down but will not go extinct. Just see how the .38 special has survived and thrived after the .38 spl revolver lost favor with LEO and their agencies.

I'm glad many shooters have been influenced by the same, and have been dumping their 40s on the EE. Got my FNS 40L x 2 at great prices. Waiting for the same to happen to Glock 22s.

IMO, the .40 is destined to become one of the great pistol calibers.

In the Canadian situation where maximum pistol capacity is 10 rds, .40 is my favorite. Its got serious power and accuracy. My most accurate pistols are the Ruger P91 and FNH FNS40L, both easily capable of 2-inch 5 shot groups at 15 meters, standing off hand, shooting my own reloads and home cast bullets.

I also have the 9mm versions of my .40 pistols, just because they are easier on the hands, to practice with. I cast and reload, so ammo cost is not a concern. I do notice much less .40 brass at our range, but that's fine. That's enough for me.
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.40 is not that much cheaper then .45. To me .45ACP is still the best round for semi autos as its still effective in FMJ. Now if there were no mag capacity limits id go with a 9mm. But if i can only have 10 rounds they may as well make big holes.
 
rkm456 said:
Here's the list of caliber deaths I can think of in chronological order. (Keeping it to semi autos for simplicity)

.45ACP to 9mm, 9mm to 10mm, 10mm to .40SW, 40SW to .357 SIG, .357 SIG to .40SW, .40SW to 9mm.

As far as I'm aware they're all still around and doing as well now as they ever did.
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Hell i just bought some .44 special. So hope all rounds stick around.
 
Well, considering I hope to get one in the future, I hope they don't go extinct! I surprisingly see a lot of bulk ammo for it for sale though in local stores even though I don't know anyone who actually has one.
 
rkm456 said:
Here's the list of caliber deaths I can think of in chronological order. (Keeping it to semi autos for simplicity)

.45ACP to 9mm, 9mm to 10mm, 10mm to .40SW, 40SW to .357 SIG, .357 SIG to .40SW, .40SW to 9mm.

As far as I'm aware they're all still around and doing as well now as they ever did.
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Yup!
 
Any "modern" calibre will be viable for our life spans. Granted the .38 S&W evolved to the .357, the .45 ACP is pretty much what it is but hotter depending on what you buy, the 10 mm boutique round is now the .40 cal for every man, and the 9 mm just gets better with age (lots like the .38 evolution). How much does it cost to shoot each calibre at the hobby level is the real acid test and will quickly point you to the most popular calibre. Revolver vs semi aside that is. The .40 will be dead when all fast lead is replaced by lasers/tasers and mind control.

Your question is answered by pennies. The .40 costs more than the 9 mm. Prom queen elected.

But what about the runner up? She was a cutie...
 
I had read some where , don't recall where , that the .38S&W with soft lead bullet was considered to be effective "enough" , but , they had to go to a jacketed bullet because of the Hague Conference ,the soft lead bullet was considered "inhumane" , and then it became like you said .
Still alive said:
^^^ The .38S&W died because you can throw a rock further and harder! :)
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