Is excessive Logging , hurting the bear pop in your area

Joel said:
Moose and predator interaction seems to me (not my forte but professionally read those who know more) to be a pretty complicated interaction of many factors. Snow depth. Food availablity. Predator mobility. Cover. Other things.

Many things would have to conspire against them to be effectively defenseless from predators just because of roads and cuts. Starvation leads to lethargy leads to not being able to flee leads to worse mobility in deep snow...which may be because deep snow covers food...and round we go.

IF they are well fed to begin with their odds of making it through the winter go up. Including in the presence of predators. And the rules protecting certain areas from being cut (the above example was around waterways) do provide cover.
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moose are more adapted in deep snow ..wolves like hard packed roads ....
 
Spruster said:
Wrong ..moose don't eat pine needles ..and the round up kills everything else . The bear cubs get trampled in their den. Moose need cover from predators
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You're in fantasy land... the round up lasts maybe one season, at best, it's usually applied the spring after planting, and by truck and on foot. It's seldom even done by air anymore.

Bear cubs get trampled in their dens? From what? Your imagination? Give it rest!

The moose have plenty of cover in a properly managed forest. Water ways are protected with wider cut restrictions than ever, as are habitat corridors. The days of slash and burn logging are long gone, and have been for many many years. Logging will actually boost moose populations in areas when managed correctly.

R.
 
Spruster said:
moose are more adapted in deep snow ..wolves like hard packed roads ....
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Well, if that were so as soon as the wolf left the road, he'd be in deep snow lol. But as snow becomes deeper than 60 cm, moose have exponentially more trouble with mobility. Exacerbated by malnutrition, because locomotion in snow is costly. That is why their winter habitat is not their summer habitat and can be quite farther away depending on the moose...

What would I know about moose and wolf interaction or moose mobility in winter though ;) Never even saw it...

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Spruster said:
Wrong . Moose do not survive better in these areas because once logged out , the round - up spraying starts. Kill off small shrubs and grass. All they want to start over is spruce trees.. period.. poplar or any leaf trees are destroyed (willows) . BC has been fighting this for decades
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often wondered why those opposed to the spraying have never really had a large audience in Gov'r or the public
There are numerous studies on habitat use, wildfire influence, restocking practices as well as on the impact of sprays, can the anti-spray group come up with supporting science?

even saw a more recent study indicating that the nutrition in certain plants may not be what was previously thought, malnourished where not thought possible
 
Rman said:
The moose have plenty of cover in a properly managed forest. Water ways are protected with wider cut restrictions than ever, as are habitat corridors. The days of slash and burn logging are long gone, and have been for many many years. Logging will actually boost moose populations in areas when managed correctly.

R.
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Proven by research.

I'm not close minded to the alternative. Should anyone post any scientific findings of it, I'm willing to read. Please do share.

Rman said:
I could explain it better with a napkin, pencil, and over a beer!

R.
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Now we're talkin. I'll buy the first.
 
boxhitch said:
often wondered why those opposed to the spraying have never really had a large audience in Gov'r or the public
There are numerous studies on habitat use, wildfire influence, restocking practices as well as on the impact of sprays, can the anti-spray group come up with supporting science?
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Probably not much but say the DNR etc is all just bought and paid for by the forestry industry lol. Convienient way of rending all research you don't like or can't argue against moot.
 
over the years I have seen more bears in my hunting area. those spots have been logged over. good size clear cuts too.
 
Spruster said:
berries won't be there after spraying ....understando...besides bears are dead from the logging
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This is hilarious... The berries are there after spraying... it's called herbicide for reason... it doesn't kill fruit

Still not sure how you think logging kills bears? You figure they den up in those huge spruce tree stumps or something?:onCrack:
And even if they did... that particular site would be identified, flagged, and given a wide berth... as per the rules and regulations pertaining to habitat and disturbance.

R.
 
rar said:
over the years I have seen more bears in my hunting area. those spots have been logged over. good size clear cuts too.
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Quebec's population of black bears is even greater than expected too...certainly in my region anyway. Enough to have trials of two seasons per year.

We know this because genotyping them from hair samples is more reliable than going by visually IDing them. Hard to control for seeing the same bear in different places and they tend to have a wide range. Put some barbed wire around a sponge soaked in cow blood tho...lotsa hair samples lol

I don't know how it correlates with logging but we sure ain't stopped that.
 
Rman said:
This is hilarious... The berries are there after spraying... it's called herbicide for reason... it doesn't kill fruit

Still not sure how you think logging kills bears? You figure they den up in those huge spruce tree stumps or something?:onCrack:
And even if they did... that particular site would be identified, flagged, and given a wide berth... as per the rules and regulations pertaining to habitat and disturbance.

R.
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How stupid is that ..berries grow on bushes with leaves ..good grief .. they use 1/2 liter equivalent and spray it all over the cut block . Round up is non selective ..The needles are so fine as to not absorb the chem . The broader leaves do and die ..The forest is being farmed for money . Anyone seeing more bears in these areas is good news ...

You don't even know what herbicide means and you're spouting off
 
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The veggies farmers grow are sprayed with glyphosate (roundup)
https://www.thelandbetween.ca/2022/...-of-glyphosate-in-ontarios-forestry-industry/

Transmission tower lines in norther Ontario are spot sprayed with garlon (ai triclopyr) or aspect( ai Picloram, present as triisopropanolamine salt 2,4-D, present as choline salt) Tordon is no longer used. Some reserve/traditional lands are cut by hand or with mechanical machinery.

Forest blocks are still sprayed up here and the mnr has an active spray program for budworm as do other provinces, the jack pine are having a hard time.

There isn’t anywhere on the planet that you can go that doesn’t dioxins, micro plastics are inside all of us as well.
The line from the graduate is the truth.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-...unswick-early-intervention-strategy-1.5210769
 
Garlon and Aspect will kill blueberries. Where do you think roadside sellers pick berries from?

Lots of bears in the bush here where logging is a way of life and chemicals are sprayed.
 
m1008 said:
The veggies farmers grow are sprayed with glyphosate (roundup)
https://www.thelandbetween.ca/2022/...-of-glyphosate-in-ontarios-forestry-industry/

Transmission tower lines in norther Ontario are spot sprayed with garlon (ai triclopyr) or aspect( ai Picloram, present as triisopropanolamine salt 2,4-D, present as choline salt) Tordon is no longer used. Some reserve/traditional lands are cut by hand or with mechanical machinery.

Forest blocks are still sprayed up here and the mnr has an active spray program for budworm as do other provinces, the jack pine are having a hard time.

There isn’t anywhere on the planet that you can go that doesn’t dioxins, micro plastics are inside all of us as well.
The line from the graduate is the truth.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-...unswick-early-intervention-strategy-1.5210769
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If they are GMO ..
 
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