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- Blaster land, Okanagan BC
Hahaha, you and the OP should get together for a bud lite.
Is excessive Logging , hurting the bear pop in your area
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Hahaha, you and the OP should get together for a bud lite.
coleman1495
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- Location
- Whitecourt
What are you talking about? Deforestation supports my family.
That being said, I’m not going to pretend that it’s anything other than terrible for the environment.
Ardent
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Depends where you are, not at all true in BC in the Doug fir, Sitka spruce, and big cedar. Quite the opposite, and it’s the only stuff that’s fire resistant.
coleman1495
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- Whitecourt
Are you talking about logging leases and lease roads?
It was a question based on where you lived, considering that Whitecourt is/was the site of four forestry-related mills:
Blue Ridge Lumber Sawmill / Ranger Board MDF
Millar Western Pulp Mill
Canfor Sawmill
Alberta Newsprint Company Pulp & Paper Mill.
You've let your point of view be known. It's kind of strange, considering... but it's a strange thread!
R.
coleman1495
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- Whitecourt
Yes the area is heavily dependent on forestry. I’m not sure what you mean by gas and oil cuts?
coleman1495
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- Location
- Whitecourt
Do I feel that oil and gas is bad for the environment? Absolutely it is.
Ardent
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Absolutely, where the ecosystem evolved for that as in my part of BC, it’s ridiculous not to be. There’s hardly any of it left in the first place unfortunately.
I fight fire by air all summer, and the only stuff not nuking in these extreme fires years, is the mature old growth. The fire lays down, cleans up the forest floor and doesn’t take to the canopy as there are no branches for 80’, and then explodes again in the next cut block / regen / second growth. The wildlife use it as a refuge, too.
Inland, other ecosystems are evolved for periodic, complete burn fires. Coastal and mountain Doug fir is evolved to withstand it, the big old giants have fire scars on their trunks from dozens of fires over the centuries.
Ardent
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The only argument about old growth Doug fir / cedar / Sitka spruce in BC is how much it’s worth. It’s meant to live a thousand years here. Some forest in Canada isn’t meant to exceed 60 by natural design.
Every ecosystem is different, but you’re right, outside the big trees in BC it’s meant to have a more frequent total burn.
Every ecosystem is different, but you’re right, outside the big trees in BC it’s meant to have a more frequent total burn.
That's the thing about an argument... isn't it? It's never absolute.
And the problem with worth is, who determines it? A dead tree isn't worth anything, and that's an easily solvable problem.
Even the tree pictured... isn't exactly a prime specimen... which is most likely why it wasn't cut in the first place. Had it been cut sooner, it may have been used for something, instead of left to rot?
R.
And the problem with worth is, who determines it? A dead tree isn't worth anything, and that's an easily solvable problem.
Even the tree pictured... isn't exactly a prime specimen... which is most likely why it wasn't cut in the first place. Had it been cut sooner, it may have been used for something, instead of left to rot?
R.
Ardent
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It was cut, that’s the base end of a hundred year old logged stump. Otherwise it’d still be going strong and adding a cubic meter a year for another 500 years.
Almost none of the giants have survived us, I was fortunate to guide in one of the last intact old growth watersheds. This is what they look like there.
Here, our richest grizzly valleys on the coast are the old growth. Those are also the healthiest salmon rivers not by coincidence, with the lowest turbidity (silt and sediment). They also reseed after fires as they survive while the second story goes, and keep them to a healthy intensity that’s a clean up and regerminate rather than nuke scorched earth.
Inland Doug fir,
North Coastal cedar,
Almost none of the giants have survived us, I was fortunate to guide in one of the last intact old growth watersheds. This is what they look like there.
Here, our richest grizzly valleys on the coast are the old growth. Those are also the healthiest salmon rivers not by coincidence, with the lowest turbidity (silt and sediment). They also reseed after fires as they survive while the second story goes, and keep them to a healthy intensity that’s a clean up and regerminate rather than nuke scorched earth.
Inland Doug fir,
North Coastal cedar,
