Is Herters 303 British brass better than the other common types of boxer 303 brass?

Here is a picture of the packaging of the lot of 100 unfired Herters 303 British reloadable cases that I obtained from an auction site - about 6 weeks ago. The inside of the five boxes has a 72 stamp - which I suppose may be the year of manufacture.

As also shown, I have fireformed these to 303 Epps Improved and loaded them to 7.62x54R specs and fired them from a 303 Epps rechambered P-14 - where the max working pressure is 59K psi. You'll see that - even at that loading these things (fired twice so far) exhibit none of those trashy expansion rings that you get with the first firing of that junk 303 British US commercial ammo sourced brass.

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Interesting thread for sure. The design of the case probably isn't the best around, likely pays to check out the brass for the web construction style. I can also see the point of a rear lug bolt possibly suffering from overall compression or maybe even flex, in combination with chamber size, resulting in excessive stretch. It's all the little things that add up, another one of the quirks and mysteries of the gun world.
 
Here is a picture of the packaging of the lot of 100 unfired Herters 303 British reloadable cases that I obtained from an auction site - about 6 weeks ago. The inside of the five boxes has a 72 stamp - which I suppose may be the year of manufacture.

As also shown, I have fireformed these to 303 Epps Improved and loaded them to 7.62x54R specs and fired them from a 303 Epps rechambered P-14 - where the max working pressure is 59K psi. You'll see that - even at that loading these things (fired twice so far) exhibit none of those trashy expansion rings that you get with the first firing of that junk 303 British US commercial ammo sourced brass.

The truth is nowhere near as simple and straight forward as you imagine it is.

I just picked up a big load of once fired cases from a guy that included a bunch of Winchester, Federal, Dominion, S&B and 30x Herters.

The guy I got them off has a number of different 303 rifles and helpfully marked the brass holders with the rifle they had been shot in. One thing I noticed was that the expansion ring on the brass mostly correlated to the rifle it had been fired in. There was a bunch of Federal brass that showed no expansion ring at all and all those seem to have been fired in a Ross rifle.

The S&B cases did show some expansion at the ring, and supposedly those are better quality modern brass?
 
I have a 1910 Ross that has been rebarrelled and chambered with a minimum spec chamber.

Brass, regardless of make, lasts indefinitely as long as I anneal necks every 5-6 firings so the
brass does not split there. The expansion ring is virtually invisible.

One exception is recent FC brass which is definitely "soft" and primer pockets enlarge to the
point where they will not securely hold a new primer. [usually 3-4 firings] EE.
 
The truth is nowhere near as simple and straight forward as you imagine it is.

I just picked up a big load of once fired cases from a guy that included a bunch of Winchester, Federal, Dominion, S&B and 30x Herters.

The guy I got them off has a number of different 303 rifles and helpfully marked the brass holders with the rifle they had been shot in. One thing I noticed was that the expansion ring on the brass mostly correlated to the rifle it had been fired in. There was a bunch of Federal brass that showed no expansion ring at all and all those seem to have been fired in a Ross rifle.

The S&B cases did show some expansion at the ring, and supposedly those are better quality modern brass?

I have a bunch of Dominion Ctg Co brass that has to be close to 50 years old, likely older.

I've reloaded this stuff several times, but only for "one" rifle, which was a 1950 Longbranch with a tight chamber and still new in the grease when when I bought it. The Dominion cases were once fired and given to me after the fellow who had them passed on. They all had expansion rings from the initial firing.

These cases would not fit into the chamber of my LB 1950 with just neck resizing, that's when I checked the chamber dimensions. They were only full length resized once to fireform to the chamber of the 1950.

I had one neck split after five reloads, so annealed the rest of the cases used in that rifle every 3-4 reloads.

I don't know how many times they've been reloaded.

Dominion made good brass and I scrounge it when I can.

Herter's never made any of their own products. They were a major distributor and often had components assembled from different suppliers, then packaged under their name brand.

Things like Sauer single action revolvers, ammunition, lisenced copies of BSA receivers (with J or U prefix model designations) made in Yugoslavia. Brass from Norma with Herter's stamps on the head, Loomis fishing rods, Bear Bows etc.

They were once one of the biggest mail order retail outlets in North America and many sports minded people ordered everything from them because the quality was decent and the prices, even after shipping were as good or better than could be had locally. Also their selection was enormous.

The Gun Control Act of 68 was the first nail in their coffin and the expanding economy of North America saw the opening of Large Box Retail Outlet stores all over North America. Bass Pro was one of the first and it slowly eroded the mail order business.

Canada's version of Herter's, on a much smaller scale, was S.I.R or Sydney I. Robinson.

When it came to quality, Herter's brass was always good but you didn't know where it came from. Some batches lasted seemingly indefinitely if they were loaded to sensible pressures, others not so good but not bad either.
 
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