Is it just a matter of time until they grab the blacks?

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Just having bought my first semi auto black and read this http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5718875#post5718875 (green party wanting to grab guns) concerns me a little...

It feels like its just a matter of time until everything fun is restriced, prohibited or grabbed :(

Will we still head out with our greens or blacks in 10 years? Whats your take?

Teac
 
dunno bout you but my hands will be cold and dead before any government gets even one of my guns...... i believe the term Molon Labe comes to mind.
and i give no credit to any of the spew coming from the green party.....the best they will ever accomplish is lend themselves to vote splitting.
 
Teac said:
Just having bought my first semi auto black and read this http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5718875#post5718875 (green party wanting to grab guns) concerns me a little...

It feels like its just a matter of time until everything fun is restriced, prohibited or grabbed :(

Will we still head out with our greens or blacks in 10 years? Whats your take?

Teac
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Get out and vote, convince others why they should vote conservative, and get as many people intrested or even better, involved in the shooting sports.

That is the best and most sure way to help prevent any further restrictions.
 
Teac... If the Conservatives don't get a Majority tomorrow, this is what I see happening...

The Conservative Minority Government will bring it's Budget forward, it WILL be voted down by the Opposition Parties & the Minority Conservative Government will fall...

Then the Opposition parties WILL be given a chance to form Government by the Governor General... They WILL form a Coalition Government!!!

Now, to get to your question... Depending on 'who' the Minister of Public Safety is, they WILL write Orders In Council (OIC's) that WILL (without any debate) allow them to CONFISCATE YOUR (previously) LEGAL PROPERTY!!!

Personally, I stand to loose my Tavor, RFB, M14, pistols, M4... And all you folks who say "They won't take my 'hunting' rifle/shotgun..." Think again! They have wanted the Ruger Mini 14 for a LONG time! They've wanted our semi-auto's for a LONG time! IMHO, we either stand together or we are destined to fall...

Hold onto your panties folks, tomorrow's election has the potential to change EVERYTHING!!!

Regards
Jay
P.S. The best case scenario for us tomorrow is vote splitting on the left, it just may deliver a Conservative Majority. IF IT DOES, then the Long Gun Registry will fall & the anti-gun movement will take a long time to recover. IMHO, they won't have the stomach to repeat the 2 Billion Dollar process & it will be the first major victory for Law Abiding Gun Owners, in Canada, in a long time!
 
Jay said:
P.S. The best case scenario for us tomorrow is vote splitting on the left, it just may deliver a Conservative Majority. IF IT DOES, then the Long Gun Registry will fall & the anti-gun movement will take a long time to recover. IMHO, they won't have the stomach to repeat the 2 Billion Dollar process & it will be the first major victory for Law Abiding Gun Owners, in Canada, in a long time!
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And then lets lobby the CPC to control the RCMP and not allow them to reclassify everything!
 
Jay said:
allow them to CONFISCATE YOUR (previously) LEGAL PROPERTY!!!
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i have always wondered how they would go about this if somehow they did all of a sudden just ban some or all black guns.
i wouldn't want to be the RCMP having to go door to door collecting big guns from angry people!
or would the swat team be going door to door with a garbage trailer filling it with guns. :p
these are the images that pop in my head when i think about them banning and collecting semi-autos. id like to see how they would accomplish that on such a mass scale!

its probably not as likely as we make it sound, but its still a real fear. i think they will for sure try and restrict semi-autos/black guns.... especially if the registry gets scrapped. it will be all they can do to twist the knife as they finally pull it out of our backs.

i started this last week...

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=601350
 
turbo minivan;
The confiscation process can take place in a number of ways.

When we were registering all our our long guns back in 2000 or thereabouts, a friend had to turn in his Feather .22 rimfire carbine for destruction.

As foggy memory serves there was, at that time a list of demerit points for all long guns, so many points for a folding stock, so many for a pistol grip, so many for a flash hider and so on.

Thus the Feather made the list while the 10/22 for instance didn't, despite being functionally identical. I will add that if you told them that your 10/22 had a Ramline folding stock and aftermarket flash hider installed, it would have made "the list" too - though I am not aware of anyone who admitted to owning one with those modifications.

The RCMP officer who processed my friend's Feather simply informed him that he needed to bring it in to be destroyed, or risk losing all the rest of his restricted and non-restricted firearms, be charged with a criminal offense, not be able to travel abroad any longer - you know the drill.....

As the registry now is in existence, a simple letter in the mail will advise the owners of the firearms which made the latest order in council list when and where they are to turn them in for destruction and what government sanctioned mayhem will befall them if they don't comply. It really is that simple.

If one doesn't comply, then I can't imagine that it would be that difficult for your vehicle license plates to be added to "the list" of those that need to be stopped.

When folks say registration = confiscation, that is exactly and definitely what they mean. I've seen it with my own jaded eyes, all in the name of public safety of course....

Please get out there on Monday and vote folks. We haven't been this close to dismantling the current registry fiasco in a long, long time. Let's not squander the opportunity before us.

Regards,
Dwayne
 
Typical ways to take guns would be:

- Classify all semi auto as prohibied and make a law that they cant be sold or fired and require expensive storage requirements (heavy duty safe). Owning those guns would be useless as you cant use them, you cant sell them and owning them is expensive.

- Make ownership expensive (annually renewable licence $150, ATT $100, transfer $100) and cumbersome (Need doctors note, letter from the RCMP, 10 references to renew) . I.e. more registrations, tests, licencing. Or require you to shoot twice a month to justify restricteds, together with drastic licencing, storing and such requirements, many people will just hand them over.

- Typically, making gun ownership expensive and diffcult so that you will volunteer to hand them over will make many people give them up. The rest will be grabbed due to minor infractions.

- I would also not be surprised if all semi auto rifle owners simply get a letter saying (Dear Terrorist Gun Owner, Your s**t is illegal now, hand it over or we will send SWAT to take it, Love The Green Party)


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If something like this happened, then they might change there views if 20,000+ gun owners protested in ottawa.....with or guns. Canadian gun owners outnumber the police and army, so we dont need to be bullied if we stand up for our rights.

With cgn, facebook, etc, we can organize protests the size that canada has never scene before, and we can change any wrong doings that politicians make, that effect us.

To be honest, some politicians dont know what they are messing with here, and thats the truth.

If it ever came down to it, many cgners wouldnt allow confiscation to happen. Ottawa is about to see a outcome they didnt see coming if they don't wake up.

Did'nt the american revolution start because the powers that be tried to disarm the public.
 
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The National Firearms Association and Canada Ammo are currently fighting a legal challenge to stop the unilateral reclassification of the Norinco Type-97 "black rifle." The financial support from other gun orgs and other black rifle owners has been "underwhelming" to say the least.

Apathy is the trademark of the Canadian recreational firearms community, followed by outraged indignation when the RCMP come knocking for "their" firearms. By then, it is too late.

If the RCMP are permitted to assume the power to unilaterally reclassify this "evil" black rifle, you can bet they'll be building on that precedent to target the next on their hit list. Remember all of those military-style firearms that mysteriously disappeared from the FRT a while back?

Until all Canadian gun owners start voting with their dollars and actually supporting political parties that support them, our gun rights will remain in jeopardy. We need to put aside all of these internal divisions and prejudices. Black gun guys are on the tip of the spear, but eventually the semi-auto shotgun Trap shooters will be targeted, along with the tactical rifle crowd and handgun owners. Eventually, the gun grabbers will get to the one-gun, "I don't give a damn about machinegun" hunters and Fudds and take their unnecessary, long-range "sniper" rifles, and by that point, there is no one left to target.

Divided we fall, united we stand. Tomorrow, bully, shove, drag and beg everyone you know to the polls and make sure they vote Conservative. Get your hunting buddies, fellow gun club members and immediate family members off their arse and marking an "X". It is going to be a true squeaker tomorrow...just imagine, an anti-gun RCMP backed up by an anti-gun NDP Coalition government! Black gun guys and handgun owners will be the first to fall, but you can bet, semi-auto rifles and shotguns will follow immediately thereafter. Crunch time folks. Do or die!
 
blueflash said:
Did'nt the american revolution start because the powers that be tried to disarm the public.
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No.

It was about taxation without representation.

Comparing our struggle to the American example is poisonous. Let's come up with our own solution to our own problem. That states is not a good example to follow, for a number of reasons that there are a number of threads about.

Here is what I advise all of you to do; Vote for the candidate that will protect your interests, firearm ownership included. If the likely candidate (or after May 2nd, MP) in you riding does not support your interests, go to that person and tell them what you want.

Your vote is only the start of your political involvement.
 
Well this is a hell of a situation. If there's no majority the black guns are gone. Maybe not right away, but pretty darn soon - likely on the anniversary of the Montreal shooting in the next 2-3 years. So much for a free society.

The key for us is to lobby on the internet. Not in places like here where we're preaching to the converted, but on websites, facebook and twitter where people's minds can be changed. Any time you see an anti-gun post take the argument apart with facts and numbers. The truth is that these guns are no different from others, in fact in most cases they are less dangerous. People don't understand that, and they are being led astray by dishonest people who want all guns outlawed.

We have one more day to make our case. Make it count.
 
Before anything is changed dosent it need to be passed by the senate - Conservatives own the senate..........dont they?
 
M14Doctor said:
dunno bout you but my hands will be cold and dead before any government gets even one of my guns...... i believe the term Molon Labe comes to mind.
and i give no credit to any of the spew coming from the green party.....the best they will ever accomplish is lend themselves to vote splitting.
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The cold dead hands part I wouldn't do.. I would lend them out... to people with a pal.. and send them on a wild goose chase.. Random lake here random area there.. cut some up and melt them into a metal ball then simply go theres 1 its a ball of metal now.. theres another in some lake with a c I think ;)

I don't think they would take them all away becase 1 lots of people have them and 2.. there are people that would shoot before they handed them over you have nuts in every group.. firearms arnt worth dieing over... But keeping them is worth the fight..
 
NFA always fights for you rights

Do the rights thing: become an NFA member, fight gun control and obey the law even if it's unfair and somewhat stupid!
Last time long guns classification changed NFA was the only organization that fought for our rights, other organisations where "OK" but not fighting.

I was an NFA member then and am an NFA member now. Go online, take your credit card out, become an NFA member, write to your MP and go meet your MP ! Talk you to our fellow shooter and hunters and get them in the NFA!

NFA members are serious, honest, hard working, and effective,

We need to be heard build always stay polite and serious when discussing gun control since guns scare most honest hard working Canadians,

Alex
 
Banning black rifles is not a forgone conclusion...vote Conservative, buy more guns, be visible in the community as a responsible firearms owner. If we all do these things we can actually roll back the damage the anti-gun people have done to this country :)
 
Leroy78 said:
Before anything is changed dosent it need to be passed by the senate - Conservatives own the senate..........dont they?
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Yes, that's true. But consider what Layton and the Libs have up their sleeve. With the Bloc gone, they can defeat the government and form a coalition with just two parties. That will inevitably mean NDP senators and a quick end to Conservative domination there. Next will come a complete rewriting of the firearms act to wipe out not just black guns, but a variety of others.

Like I say, keep on lobbying.
 
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