Is it just a matter of time until they grab the blacks?

I think the worst we could see is all semi's reclassified as "restricted". That would assume an amendment of the Firearms Act.

A ban would encroach on any grandfathering provisions in the Act. I just don't see how that would work. On the other hand, they could stop issuing new "restricted" firearms licences - only renewals to existing licence holders. Everything else would probably remain the same.

IMO, you should get your RPAL now, before the door closes permanently.
 
Teac said:
I disagree and I dont think you can be too proactive ... There are very little arguments on your side for why you need an assault rifle.

I dont think there will be a single non gun owning citizen or even non black rifle gun owning citizen who will say "Yes I think those people should own assault rifles". This will simply not happen. Rather it will be "Those dangerous assault rifles must be banned"

If you just wait, then everything besides a hunting rifle will be gone.
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You mis-understood.

All this speculating about how they're going to come get our guns, or what will be banned next is complete bull####. It's fear mongering and I'm tired of hearing it. Ya we get it, we're in a fight and we gotta keep pushing foward. OK then, lets do it by keeping things positive. I never said give up or do nothing. There are many ways to be proactive in furthering our sport/hobbie, #####ing and whining about what "could be" is not one of them.

BTW Using my AR for competition is all the argument I need.
 
BC30cal said:
turbo minivan;
The confiscation process can take place in a number of ways.

When we were registering all our our long guns back in 2000 or thereabouts, a friend had to turn in his Feather .22 rimfire carbine for destruction.

As foggy memory serves there was, at that time a list of demerit points for all long guns, so many points for a folding stock, so many for a pistol grip, so many for a flash hider and so on.

Thus the Feather made the list while the 10/22 for instance didn't, despite being functionally identical. I will add that if you told them that your 10/22 had a Ramline folding stock and aftermarket flash hider installed, it would have made "the list" too - though I am not aware of anyone who admitted to owning one with those modifications.

The RCMP officer who processed my friend's Feather simply informed him that he needed to bring it in to be destroyed, or risk losing all the rest of his restricted and non-restricted firearms, be charged with a criminal offense, not be able to travel abroad any longer - you know the drill.....

As the registry now is in existence, a simple letter in the mail will advise the owners of the firearms which made the latest order in council list when and where they are to turn them in for destruction and what government sanctioned mayhem will befall them if they don't comply. It really is that simple.

If one doesn't comply, then I can't imagine that it would be that difficult for your vehicle license plates to be added to "the list" of those that need to be stopped.

When folks say registration = confiscation, that is exactly and definitely what they mean. I've seen it with my own jaded eyes, all in the name of public safety of course....

Please get out there on Monday and vote folks. We haven't been this close to dismantling the current registry fiasco in a long, long time. Let's not squander the opportunity before us.

Regards,
Dwayne
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I hate to tell you this, but whoever gave up those guns had a fast one pulled on them by the authorities. Unless the firearm is a named or unnamed variant of a prohibited firearm, or it is modified to be a prohibited firearm by sawing or cutting of the barrel, they can keep it. If someone was told to turn in a rifle because it had a flash hider or folding stock, they were lied to. There is nothing in the firearms act or any other body of Canadian law that prohibits any of those features from being present on a rifle.
 
50calshooter said:
You mis-understood.

All this speculating about how they're going to come get our guns, or what will be banned next is complete bulls**t. It's fear mongering and I'm tired of hearing it. Ya we get it, we're in a fight and we gotta keep pushing foward. OK then, lets do it by keeping things positive. I never said give up or do nothing. There are many ways to be proactive in furthering our sport/hobbie, #####ing and whining about what "could be" is not one of them.

BTW Using my AR for competition is all the argument I need.
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Everybody needs to be well aware that the only way to keep guns is to fight the gun haters. If you let them do as they please, they will pass laws and take your guns.

The AR argument could easily countered with "Why do you need a dangerous looking Assault rifle to target shoot? Why cant you use a .22 or an air rifle?" The gun haters dont care about logic.
 
Done and done !!!

I just became a member and donated $100 to fight anti firearms bull####

I encourage everybody to become a member so that there is an organization with as many members as possible. Numbers give us weight.

If there was a pro gun organization with 6 million members, you wouldn't hear another thing about gun grabbing ...


X-man said:
You can make a direct donation to the Legal Defence Fund here:

http://www.nfa.ca/products/donate-legal-fund

You can also give their office a call, toll free: 1-877-818-0393 and let the office staff know you wish to make a donation to the Legal Defence Fund.

This fund is kept wholly seperate from general NFA accounts and is earmarked solely for legal challenges.

You can also join the National Firearms Association on-line here: https://nfa.ca/membership-purchase or call the toll free number. You can also download and print an application and send in a cheque or money order if you prefer. Just click on the link on the left-hand side of the home page at www.nfa.ca

A one year membership is only $35.00.
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BC30cal said:
The RCMP officer who processed my friend's Feather simply informed him that he needed to bring it in to be destroyed, or risk losing all the rest of his restricted and non-restricted firearms, be charged with a criminal offense, not be able to travel abroad any longer - you know the drill.....

As the registry now is in existence, a simple letter in the mail will advise the owners of the firearms which made the latest order in council list when and where they are to turn them in for destruction and what government sanctioned mayhem will befall them if they don't comply. It really is that simple.
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That's depressing and an all too frightening and realistic scenario. We may be out of the woods temporarily with the CPC getting a majority gov't - but what about in eight years, ten or fifteen years? As long as political forces exist, who wish to further the gun control agenda - our black guns will not be safe. If the day comes when I'm forced to weigh my options between burying my guns in the forest, turning them in for "destruction" or going to jail, well that is not an enviable choice and I hate to even consider it.
 
There are only 2 things that keep you in posession of black guns:

1. Money to buy you political influence

2. Numbers to win you large percentages of votes


I am not sure how the canadian election system works but how you get your demands through in the US is that you pay off BOTH parties and then you dont care who wins, you simply call in your favours....


Or if black rifle voters make 15% and up of votes then they can not be f**ked with if you want to win your election. Or you can threaten to have your own party and piss in the other's soup.


What this needs from ALL gun owners is: donations to organisations like NFA and a political voice and letters to politicians stating what we want.

In my opinion the only reason why there are unrestricted black rifles is the fact that they came AFTER the restriction and "slipped through" simply because a lot of people and politicians dont know that people are running around with "assault rifles" in the bush.

That is also the big issue about unrestricting the AR and wanting no limit mags, etc.. Not that it would ever happen but if it did we would have woken the bear...

The next time the communists or whoever will win the election they will go to town on gun laws. And this time it will not be to simply restrict the AR, they will realise that there is more, a lot more black rifles.

To grab them all they will step it up a notch and restrict all semis or prohibit all semis or prohibit the dangerous looking ones.

As sad as it sounds but for now we have to through the AR under the bus :(

IF we ever get enough, money, numbers or general poltical influence then we can put our demands on the table, but not before.
 
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Teac said:
There are only 2 things that keep you in posession of black guns:

1. Money to buy you political influence

2. Numbers to win you large percentages of votes


I am not sure how the canadian election system works but how you get your demands through in the US is that you pay off BOTH parties and then you dont care who wins, you simply call in your favours....


Or if black rifle voters make 15% and up of votes then they can not be f**ked with if you want to win your election. Or you can threaten to have your own party and piss in the other's soup.


What this needs from ALL gun owners is: dontations to organisations like NFA and a political voice and letters to politicians stating what we want.

In my opinion the only reason why there are unrestricted black rifles is the fact that they came AFTER the restriction and "slipped through" simply because a lot of people and politicians dont know that people are running around with "assault rifles" in the bush.

That is also the big issue about unrestricting the AR and wanting no limit mags, etc.. Not that it would ever happen but if it did we would have woken the bear...

The next time the kommunists or whoever will win the election they will go to town on gun laws. And this time it will not be to simply restrict the AR, they will realise that there is more, a lot more black rifles.

To grab them all they will step it up a notch and restrict all semis or prohibit all semis or prohibit the dangerous looking ones.

As sad as it sounds but for now we have to through the AR under the bus :(

IF we ever get enough, money, numbers or general poltical influence then we can put our demands on the table, but not before.
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I agree. It is all about playing the numbers correctly. After all we did to get the CPC elected (bombing websites that are critical of them, attacking newspaper opinions, blitzing popular forums, and doing footwork for various CPC candidates) there is still the possibility that we could get stiffed.

Now is a good time to influence the changes in the Liberals. They are weak politically, and they have to revamp policies to make them more inclusive. We don't want anti-gun people rising to prominence there. We also need to make it clear that should the CPC practise only token gun owner support, we're going to have to select those MPs from that party who need to be removed and work against them, while supporting the ones who sympathize with us.
 
Netghost said:
I agree. It is all about playing the numbers correctly. After all we did to get the CPC elected (bombing websites that are critical of them, attacking newspaper opinions, blitzing popular forums, and doing footwork for various CPC candidates) there is still the possibility that we could get stiffed.

Now is a good time to influence the changes in the Liberals. They are weak politically, and they have to revamp policies to make them more inclusive. We don't want anti-gun people rising to prominence there. We also need to make it clear that should the CPC practise only token gun owner support, we're going to have to select those MPs from that party who need to be removed and work against them, while supporting the ones who sympathize with us.
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The key here is to tell the green parties and gun hater parties that IF they help with gun banning the they WILL get elected.
 
Convince guns owners, shooters and hunters first!

Black rifles are not any more dangerous than non-black rifles with the current restrictions (small mags and 18.6" barrel). We need to convince fellow shooters and hunters of this first and the convince the public at large.
As long as we have anti-gun shooters, gun owners and hunters, we have a huge internal problem and can't win. Once all gun owners are on board, we can then make our point to the public at large and all political parties.

Remember that a captive vote is always taken for granted,
Alex

Regular NFA member
 
Hadrian said:
If the day comes when I'm forced to weigh my options between burying my guns in the forest, turning them in for "destruction" or going to jail, well that is not an enviable choice and I hate to even consider it.
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well... there is no option. Turning them in is unacceptable. Live for nothing or die for something.
 
Tuco Pike said:
well... there is no option. Turning them in is unacceptable. Live for nothing or die for something.
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This isnt really an option since they are registered. You would be given those choices:

1. Turn them in

2. Have a SWAT team turn them in for you and have a criminal record for firearms charges

The only way to fight this, is politically
 
When the time comes to grab our firearms, I would simply donate them to the RCMP and ask for a tax receipt, so I can write off the full value on my income tax return :p
 
We can keep our black guns if we remain vigilant.

Join the CSSA. Join the NFA. Heck I'm even a member of the NRA.

Vote and donate to politicians who want to protect your rights.
 
Jay said:
Teac... If the Conservatives don't get a Majority tomorrow, this is what I see happening...

The Conservative Minority Government will bring it's Budget forward, it WILL be voted down by the Opposition Parties & the Minority Conservative Government will fall...

Then the Opposition parties WILL be given a chance to form Government by the Governor General... They WILL form a Coalition Government!!!

Now, to get to your question... Depending on 'who' the Minister of Public Safety is, they WILL write Orders In Council (OIC's) that WILL (without any debate) allow them to CONFISCATE YOUR (previously) LEGAL PROPERTY!!!

Personally, I stand to loose my Tavor, RFB, M14, pistols, M4... And all you folks who say "They won't take my 'hunting' rifle/shotgun..." Think again! They have wanted the Ruger Mini 14 for a LONG time! They've wanted our semi-auto's for a LONG time! IMHO, we either stand together or we are destined to fall...

Hold onto your panties folks, tomorrow's election has the potential to change EVERYTHING!!!

Regards
Jay
P.S. The best case scenario for us tomorrow is vote splitting on the left, it just may deliver a Conservative Majority. IF IT DOES, then the Long Gun Registry will fall & the anti-gun movement will take a long time to recover. IMHO, they won't have the stomach to repeat the 2 Billion Dollar process & it will be the first major victory for Law Abiding Gun Owners, in Canada, in a long time!
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Reading this post made me think just how close we came to losing our our guns. I knew the election was important, of course, but reading this post somehow made it sink in just how close we came to losing everything.
 
Good points. Statistics seem useless against the anti-gun politics. There were ten people shot a block from my place a few months ago. Of course, it was a restricted weapon used by someone without a license and registration. Taking my guns means that I won't have them, but the people who commit these types of crime will still have theirs. You'd think the RCMP might want law abiding folks to have arms, I mean the RCMP is out funded and out gunned by the gangs in our country. How does it make sense that the kind of people who will commit gun crimes are the only ones armed? How many currently honest folks with registered firearms would obtain one on the black market if theirs were removed? I bet lots and lots, which would only serve to turn peaceful gun owning citizens into criminals the day after the rules changed.
 
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