Is The SAI Sterling R18 MKII Worth The Extra Cost?

fritzhanzel said:
I stated pretty clearly what I saw. You picked the last sentence from my paragraph.

You shot heavy bullets to show us something, it did not work, your group sizes are worse than most of my SKS. Why, I don't know. Try different ammo maybe.

The Siberian has a twist rate of 1 to 7, the Sterling 1 to 8, so maybe the Siberian is able to stabilize the bullets faster. A heavier bullet has more stopping power but the heavy bullet ammo we can buy often also has the boat tail bullets and fly better. We could go this into length. I reloaded 223 and could not get better results than for example with a Fiocchi 55 gr ammo which is quite consistent.

Accuracy at 100 m depends a lot as to how consistent an ammo is loaded. You could just use a chronometer and foresee many of the results.

Just use the ammo Bartok5 recommended which is the same BCL recommends in their claim of accuracy.

It bothers me that everybody is using different ammo, the results often don't say much.

Just saw your post above. I am not interested in swapping barrels to get good results. But good for you having fun. I can only imagine how long it takes to load thousands of rounds of 223.
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Is this a meme post?
 
DaveMachine said:
That's not bad. I've never run gp90, is that on par with what you'd get out of other guns? If I had to guess, I imagine those groups are a bit bigger than out of pe90 or ar15 match gun.
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It is very accurate ammo which is not available at this point since it is surplus.
 
fritzhanzel said:
Your posts in OT memes are usually the tasteless ones. What do you say?
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It's absolutely refreshing to see Beltfed post up 10rd groups, and not the cherry picked 3 or 5rd groups that way too many people try to get away with here.
 
Unholysavage said:
It's absolutely refreshing to see Beltfed post up 10rd groups, and not the cherry picked 3 or 5rd groups that way too many people try to get away with here.
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He hit the target, so that's a good thing I guess. Makes me feel warm and fuzzy when I look at my groupings when I cannot even see where the bullet hits, lol.

Joke aside, you are absolutely correct.
 
fritzhanzel said:
You shot heavy bullets to show us something, it did not work, your group sizes are worse than most of my SKS. Why, I don't know. Try different ammo maybe.
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I've been shooting what I have on hand without resorting to purchasing or hand loading new ammunition.
Some of it is stuff I've loaded for 3 gun competition and some of it is over 10 years old from when I competed in Service Rifle.
The only factory ammunition I have on hand in any great quantity is the RUAG and XM223.

"To show us something" - what does that even mean?

You are not shooting 10 rounds out of an SKS into 3" at 100m. Sorry my fellow, but you are full of sh!t.

fritzhanzel said:
Siberian has a twist rate of 1 to 7, the Sterling 1 to 8, so maybe the Siberian is able to stabilize the bullets faster.
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This isn't a thing. They either stabilize or they don't.

fritzhanzel said:
bullet has more stopping power but the heavy bullet ammo we can buy often also has the boat tail bullets and fly better. We could go this into length.
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WTAF? Am I the only one thinking you're a bot?

fritzhanzel said:
at 100 m depends a lot as to how consistent an ammo is loaded. You could just use a chronometer and foresee many of the results.
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ES will have very little to do with how well .223 prints at 100. Consistency at this distance is all about concentricity.

fritzhanzel said:
use the ammo Bartok5 recommended which is the same BCL recommends in their claim of accuracy.

It bothers me that everybody is using different ammo, the results often don't say much.

Just saw your post above. I am not interested in swapping barrels to get good results. But good for you having fun. I can only imagine how long it takes to load thousands of rounds of 223.
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If you say so :rolleyes:
Claims of stellar accuracy from mediocre barrels based on a few 5 round groups? I'll take that with a grain of salt.
 
45C said:
Ok , so what are we doing 4 five groups or two 10 rnd groups??
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You do you man.
Believe in unicorns and free healthcare if it spins your wheels.

If you care at all about what your rifle is actually doing, here is a good read:
https_://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/6797142/1
 
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DaveMachine said:
That's not bad. I've never run gp90, is that on par with what you'd get out of other guns? If I had to guess, I imagine those groups are a bit bigger than out of pe90 or ar15 match gun.
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The GP90 was tailored to the Sig with a 1:9 twist, ~20" barrel. Groups such as these would not be uncommon with irons @100m.

Considering the wind in Milo today, I was pretty happy, as it is showing promise and a definite improvement over the stock barrel.
 
beltfed said:
I've been shooting what I have on hand without resorting to purchasing or hand loading new ammunition.
Some of it is stuff I've loaded for 3 gun competition and some of it is over 10 years old from when I competed in Service Rifle.
The only factory ammunition I have on hand in any great quantity is the RUAG and XM223.

"To show us something" - what does that even mean?

You are not shooting 10 rounds out of an SKS into 3" at 100m. Sorry my fellow, but you are full of sh!t.



This isn't a thing. They either stabilize or they don't.



WTAF? Am I the only one thinking you're a bot?



ES will have very little to do with how well .223 prints at 100. Consistency at this distance is all about concentricity.



If you say so :rolleyes:
Claims of stellar accuracy from mediocre barrels based on a few 5 round groups? I'll take that with a grain of salt.
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Yes sure, work on your concentricity, didn't work out too well so far.
 
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fritzhanzel said:
You can't argue with that guy.

I think his mind works in some mysterious way.

Wait until he brings out the 120 inch barrel.
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Yes, mysterious insofar as knowing that these 180 clone rifles touted on the internets as mOa AlL daY LoNg iF i dO mY PaRt are not even close.

The bit about a 120" long barrel is a nice touch. Enjoy your time here.
 
45C said:
Ok , so what are we doing 4 five groups or two 10 rnd groups??
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beltfed said:
You do you man.
Believe in unicorns and free healthcare if it spins your wheels.

If you care at all about what your rifle is actually doing, here is a good read:
https_://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/6797142/1
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To expand on the statistics of groups and the 24hourcampfire thread, here below are three 5 round groups shot at 100m with GP90.
POA is the same, and I've superimposed all three to create a summary of how the rifle is grouping.
The point is that the more information that is collected, the better you understand the capabilities (and limitations) of the system (Rifle, Ammo, Shooter, Environment).

IMG_5734 by M J, on Flickr

IMG_5732 by M J, on Flickr

IMG_5733 by M J, on Flickr

IMG_5735 by M J, on Flickr
 
scianna54 said:
I saw your post on the Siberian groups. I would probably say the same if I would own a Sterling. I would never buy one for political reasons. I know the history. Also I saw the ones with so called blemishes sold at a lower price, they don't have any blemishes. Sales are slow. Price is too high. Stock is sitting. Siberians are selling like hot cakes.
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What political reasons and history are you referring to? These are new manufacture Canadian made firearms.
 
I'm following this with interest, I'm real curious to see what kind of accuracy you can squeeze out of the Armalite pipe on the R18. I'm also totally in agreement with you that 10rd groups are the way to go with gas guns. 5rd groups are fine with precise bolt guns (that print reliably <3/4 moa) but for a carbine where I'm happy if it can print 10rds of match ammo into 1.5 moa (and greentips into 3 moa), 10 rd groups are needed. Hell they're needed to establish a proper zero, much less prove any accuracy capability. Or you can overlay groups and aggregate them. Cherry-picked 5rd groups don't mean much.
 
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